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As an adult, how long will it take to have all the doubles?

Clod

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Hi, the question could seem a little bit presumptuous, so this is my background: I started roller skating at the age of 7 and stopped at 13-14, while I was working on 2sal and 2toe. I'm 20 now and last year I started ice skating for the first time and I could land my Axel after 8 months. I have all my singles except for the lutz, because my coach never taught me. Before the closing of the rink in June I started working on 2lo and could do 1.5-1.75 rotations.
I'm a fast learner and I'm sure that in the next year I'll have my 2sal and 2lo.
My question is: how much did it take to you to land your doubles? And also, is there any chance to attempt a 2a or even a 3sal in the future years?

I'm going to stop for the summer and do only off ice until the rink opens again, but I used to skate 2-3 times per week, two times a group lesson with other 4-5 adults and one public session of 1.5-2 hours.

I also live in South Italy, so that's why my rink closes for the summer (it's too hot outside!).
Sorry also for my wonky English :p

Thanks!
 

kolyadafan2002

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Hi, the question could seem a little bit presumptuous, so this is my background: I started roller skating at the age of 7 and stopped at 13-14, while I was working on 2sal and 2toe. I'm 20 now and last year I started ice skating for the first time and I could land my Axel after 8 months. I have all my singles except for the lutz, because my coach never taught me. Before the closing of the rink in June I started working on 2lo and could do 1.5-1.75 rotations.
I'm a fast learner and I'm sure that in the next year I'll have my 2sal and 2lo.
My question is: how much did it take to you to land your doubles? And also, is there any chance to attempt a 2a or even a 3sal in the future years?

I'm going to stop for the summer and do only off ice until the rink opens again, but I used to skate 2-3 times per week, two times a group lesson with other 4-5 adults and one public session of 1.5-2 hours.

I also live in South Italy, so that's why my rink closes for the summer (it's too hot outside!).
Sorry also for my wonky English :p

Thanks!

As a roller skater, you should have good balance and technique.
Before anything I’d learn a single lutz, as it may hold you back in the future.
If you do lots off ice work such as rotation, fast twitch etc - then based on the fact you go axel so quickly I wouldn’t discount the possibility of landing all doubles (except lutz maybe within one year), the biggest challenges you will face at this age are injury and fear, however as a previous roller skater you will probably be able to overcome both. You also need to make sure your spins and transitions keep up with your jump ability so you become a well-rounded skater, otherwise you will regret it later.
20 is still fairly young, and you may be able to get a triple and/or double axel if you do at least one session per day on the ice and many off the ice.
The fact your rink closes for the summer will mean it will take a while to get feelings for transitions & spins again, but jumps shouldn’t be affected too harshly.

At the end of the day, go as far as you possibly can, and concentrate on short-term goal settings rather than the temptation of letting your mind wonder too far ahead.
Good luck!
 

Clod

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Jun 16, 2019
You are right, I feel more comfortable with jumps and I often forget about footwork and spins, I need to work on them a lot!
Thank you for the response and the advices! :)
 

gkelly

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Jul 26, 2003
Most skaters who start as adults will never learn doubles, or at most only one or two, inconsistently.

Because you're young and have a head start, it's certainly possible that you will go farther than that.

A lot will depend on how often you are able to skate and to take lessons with a coach who is good at teaching adults and teaching jump technique.

And also on your body type, especially whether you are male or female.

Of course, as djkaye notes, there is a lot more to skating than jumping. And a lot more to jumping than rotating in the air.
 

hanyuufan5

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Can you get to a different rink during the summer? I think the lack of practice time will hold you back much more than your age.

As for how long, no one can know. You have a better chance than most given how young you started roller skating and that you had some doubles then. Generally, it's much easier to go from roller skating to figure skating than the reverse. (I'm working on my loop and pretty much have my flip, but I can barely stand up on roller skates. :laugh:)

Same as djkaye said, I definitely recommend learning the Lutz before anything else. Also, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that you necessarily need a coach experienced with adults. You might, you might not, but the coach being familiar with jump technique is more important.
 

Clod

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Can you get to a different rink during the summer? I think the lack of practice time will hold you back much more than your age.

As for how long, no one can know. You have a better chance than most given how young you started roller skating and that you had some doubles then. Generally, it's much easier to go from roller skating to figure skating than the reverse. (I'm working on my loop and pretty much have my flip, but I can barely stand up on roller skates. :laugh:)

Same as djkaye said, I definitely recommend learning the Lutz before anything else. Also, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree that you necessarily need a coach experienced with adults. You might, you might not, but the coach being familiar with jump technique is more important.

Unfortunately in my city there are only two rinks, and both of them close for the summer, it's too hot for the ice to freeze and it would cost too much, since people don't go ice skating in the summer, it's not very common here ):

I changed three different coaches during this year and one was better than the other, I did the last lesson with a forth one that is teaching the most experienced group and I look forward to be with him next year. His speciality is the dance so I hope I will improve on the footwork, but he's very good at teaching jump too, because with just one advice and some drills my Axel actually felt better.

And what you said it's true! Ice skating is way easier than roller skating in terms of strength, but at the same time the dynamic is completely different, since you have to rely more on the ice and the edges and you have to understand that ice is slippy hahah (something super dumb I know :p)
 

kolyadafan2002

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Unfortunately in my city there are only two rinks, and both of them close for the summer, it's too hot for the ice to freeze and it would cost too much, since people don't go ice skating in the summer, it's not very common here ):

I changed three different coaches during this year and one was better than the other, I did the last lesson with a forth one that is teaching the most experienced group and I look forward to be with him next year. His speciality is the dance so I hope I will improve on the footwork, but he's very good at teaching jump too, because with just one advice and some drills my Axel actually felt better.

And what you said it's true! Ice skating is way easier than roller skating in terms of strength, but at the same time the dynamic is completely different, since you have to rely more on the ice and the edges and you have to understand that ice is slippy hahah (something super dumb I know :p)

Even though I can now land a triple I still sometimes forget the ice is slippy. Remember that a balanced off ice is essential, and it’s not just about the hours spent doing a jump. at most ice rinks usually there are coaches with different specialities e.g jumping spinning footwork. Try stick to the same main coach for now if s/he is good, as technique can vary widely from coach to coach. It’s also important to remember not to “force” the jump to happen as you may get stuck in a rut or bad technique (which is why I’m really struggling with 2A). Be smart in training.
 

Clod

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Even though I can now land a triple I still sometimes forget the ice is slippy. Remember that a balanced off ice is essential, and it’s not just about the hours spent doing a jump. at most ice rinks usually there are coaches with different specialities e.g jumping spinning footwork. Try stick to the same main coach for now if s/he is good, as technique can vary widely from coach to coach. It’s also important to remember not to “force” the jump to happen as you may get stuck in a rut or bad technique (which is why I’m really struggling with 2A). Be smart in training.

Yes, I agree with the off ice, I think it'll be the only thing I'm going to do this summer :p
The change of coach is not up to me, since they are group class so as soon as they see you are improving faster than the others they change the group you're staying with. Hopefully if I can make it to the 'highest group' I will stick to the same coach till he retires :)

How long did you skate to land a triple? Are you an adult skater?
 

kolyadafan2002

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Yes, I agree with the off ice, I think it'll be the only thing I'm going to do this summer :p
The change of coach is not up to me, since they are group class so as soon as they see you are improving faster than the others they change the group you're staying with. Hopefully if I can make it to the 'highest group' I will stick to the same coach till he retires :)

How long did you skate to land a triple? Are you an adult skater?

No I’m 16 years old. Landed first when I was 15. I’ve been skating since I was 4 but bear in mind I used to only do 2 sessions a week when younger, and also I focused a tonne of my time on steps and transitions. Everybody takes different amounts of time, and I think you would take less time depending on mindset.
 

Clod

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No I’m 16 years old. Landed first when I was 15. I’ve been skating since I was 4 but bear in mind I used to only do 2 sessions a week when younger, and also I focused a tonne of my time on steps and transitions. Everybody takes different amounts of time, and I think you would take less time depending on mindset.

Thank you for the advices and good luck!! :)
 

hanyuufan5

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Unfortunately in my city there are only two rinks, and both of them close for the summer, it's too hot for the ice to freeze and it would cost too much, since people don't go ice skating in the summer, it's not very common here ):

I changed three different coaches during this year and one was better than the other, I did the last lesson with a forth one that is teaching the most experienced group and I look forward to be with him next year. His speciality is the dance so I hope I will improve on the footwork, but he's very good at teaching jump too, because with just one advice and some drills my Axel actually felt better.

And what you said it's true! Ice skating is way easier than roller skating in terms of strength, but at the same time the dynamic is completely different, since you have to rely more on the ice and the edges and you have to understand that ice is slippy hahah (something super dumb I know :p)

That's good that your next coach is a dance specialist, you'll have nice edges! Good luck!
 

jersey1302

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I started skating when I was 15 and stopped when I was 17. In that time I had double sal, toe, and loop and singles everything else but did have some dbl dbl combos. Im 34 now, I just started skating again this year. I have a new coach and is teaching me new techniques vs ones I used to know. In my short 2 months I have been back on the ice twice a week I have already landed a double flip and just short of a double lutz along with the other doubles I did when I was younger. So in saying that I think it has alot to do with your coach and how they suit your style of skating and how your body reacts to their advice. what really helped me was doing off ice techniques where I would jump off ice and land from single to double to attempt triple jumps on the ground . The more your body get in those positions properly the more success you may have on ice as lots is muscle memory and your body being used to doing something.
 

cl2

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Nov 9, 2014
Hi, the question could seem a little bit presumptuous, so this is my background: I started roller skating at the age of 7 and stopped at 13-14, while I was working on 2sal and 2toe. I'm 20 now and last year I started ice skating for the first time and I could land my Axel after 8 months. I have all my singles except for the lutz, because my coach never taught me. Before the closing of the rink in June I started working on 2lo and could do 1.5-1.75 rotations.
I'm a fast learner and I'm sure that in the next year I'll have my 2sal and 2lo.
My question is: how much did it take to you to land your doubles? And also, is there any chance to attempt a 2a or even a 3sal in the future years?

I'm going to stop for the summer and do only off ice until the rink opens again, but I used to skate 2-3 times per week, two times a group lesson with other 4-5 adults and one public session of 1.5-2 hours.

I also live in South Italy, so that's why my rink closes for the summer (it's too hot outside!).
Sorry also for my wonky English :p

Thanks!

Interestingly, a skater at my rink had learnt all her doubles from a previous coach who was actually a roller skater. She has good body mechanics, but was having difficulty progressing to double Axel and triples. So when she came to my rink she told me she had to relearn some jump technique to specifically utilize the mechanics of edge pressure on the ice, which was not much emphasized by her previous coach. Now she's almost getting her double Axel. So my suggestion to you is not to neglect learning these subtle techniques when trying to reach your goal of getting your doubles.

Good luck!
 
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