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Colonel Green

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Plus, your whole post.

When one continues to ignore the realities of international cooperative judging and chooses to be ''Switzerland'' versus calling a spade a spade, all I can say is, ...call me when the :coffee: kicks in.

Long before your arrival on Golden Skate, CG, many of us fought to legitimize Chan, Osmond, D&R, Daleman and others, as they were criticized on GS and judged as non-players. Fast forward to today and accepting a pewter when some have been blocked internationally, has me concerned.
Nobody was "blocked internationally". They all had obvious errors and narrowly missed the podium. You can argue increments either way (you always can with the IJS any time you look under the hood), but that's the definition of a close result.

As anyone familiar with my commentary here would have seen, I have discussed the political aspects of judging quite extensively. But the fact that ISU judging has obvious flaws or quirks (that can apply in favour or against our skaters, situationally) doesn't mean that any time somebody doesn't do well it was unfair judging, which frequently seems to be your position. If an up-and-coming team with minimal international reputation wants to win a medal in ice dance, then they shouldn't mess up their twizzles.

I don't have time for such arguments anymore than I had that poster who came in here complaining about the technical calling in Lake Placid supposedly preemptively protecting Stephen Gogolev by unjustly UR'ing Gleb Lutfullin's triple Axel. One can, of course, fairly debate whether certain technical calls were correct in both cases, without diving off the deep end.
 

Skater Boy

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Piper and Paul's new FD is truly a masterpiece, a lot more so than Vincent.
And the RD is a delight as always.
Now only the only hard part that remains is winning stuff :D

I think the FD got very mixed reviews; in particular as it was not as innovative or unique as their past reputation.
 

Ic3Rabbit

Former Elite, now Pro. ⛸️
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He is a real nice guy but we shouldn't always assume Canada are the nice guys. USA is a great nation full of wonderful loving people. Just look at the president. Ah...okay I think the point is Keegan is one cool dude who is super nice.

Keegan is American born. He skated for the US. He now skates for Canada and it's great and all, but he's an American by birth.
 

kenboy123

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Keegan is American born. He skated for the US. He now skates for Canada and it's great and all, but he's an American by birth.

Why is he allowed to compete for Canada, but someone like Kaillie Humphries not allowed to compete for US??? (BTW, i think Humphries' allegations are all bull****)...what is the process of defecting to another country...
 

4everchan

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Why is he allowed to compete for Canada, but someone like Kaillie Humphries not allowed to compete for US??? (BTW, i think Humphries' allegations are all bull****)...what is the process of defecting to another country...

Keegan has dusl citizenship through his mother
Keegan was released by the USFed.

2 things humphries doesn't yet have
 

Colonel Green

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Why is he allowed to compete for Canada, but someone like Kaillie Humphries not allowed to compete for US??? (BTW, i think Humphries' allegations are all bull****)...what is the process of defecting to another country...
Different sports have their own rules, but in general you need a release from your current federation, which is what Humphries is suing for. Messing got a release from the USFSA (his results in the US weren't all that notable, so there was no reason not to).
 

Ic3Rabbit

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Why is he allowed to compete for Canada, but someone like Kaillie Humphries not allowed to compete for US??? (BTW, i think Humphries' allegations are all bull****)...what is the process of defecting to another country...

Because like many skaters, the US fed will let them go to other country that they have family connection to.

Keegan has that and therefore I'm all for him skating for Canada. But I was just pointing out to skaterboy that he is indeed American and skated for us at one time.
 

siberia82

Addicted to Canadian men's singles skating
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Here's a nice video of the ACI men medal ceremony which was filmed and edited by On Ice Perspectives :) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D6HFWLmz44


ACI interviews:

Gilles & Poirier post-RD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI1RPKDr03A

Gilles & Poirier post-FD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSl3QbfBs9E

Soucisse & Firus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huad7uziGNA

Keegan Messing post-SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDbiNIU_sI

Keegan Messing post-LP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fStjWbC_Sk

Conrad Orzel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KCROBadex8

Michelle Long post-SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZ5h_AsGwE

Michelle Long post-LP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnFGWvF83ws

Véronik Mallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQnI4EYu3rU
 

siberia82

Addicted to Canadian men's singles skating
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Corey beat his previous PB SP score by almost 6 points, and it must have felt like a redemption skate after a poor short at North York :clapper: : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqh6ZWKF8H0


I assume that Joseph is still plagued by either his lingering knee pain and/or the other issue his mother informed me about, but at least he fought for the rest of the program after the fall on the 3A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xUVIfea88
 

Skater Boy

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Because like many skaters, the US fed will let them go to other country that they have family connection to.

Keegan has that and therefore I'm all for him skating for Canada. But I was just pointing out to skaterboy that he is indeed American and skated for us at one time.
I know he was born in the US but he has canadian citizenship was my point and what I was trying to say - oh never mind none of this is really important lol. THe real point forget stereotypes about nations or even what country yo want to associate Messing with - he is a very nice, charming and wonderful person.
 

ladyjane

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Why is he allowed to compete for Canada, but someone like Kaillie Humphries not allowed to compete for US??? (BTW, i think Humphries' allegations are all bull****)...what is the process of defecting to another country...

Using the word 'defecting' has all kinds of negative associations for me. I don't think skating for different countries (and in Keegan's case there really is no need to use that kind of wording as he has a Canadian parent) has anything to do with those associations. What on Earth is wrong with changing nationalities to promote your career? If that is possible, why not? I would know what I would do if i couldn't get any further for whatever reason in my own country, but another offered possibilities. Granted, switching countries shouldn't be done on a whim, and the ISU has rules for that. But defection? Despite appearances sometimes, the age of the Cold War has ended. Please, don't use that word again when discussing skaters trying to go forward and needing to change countries.
 

Ic3Rabbit

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I know he was born in the US but he has canadian citizenship was my point and what I was trying to say - oh never mind none of this is really important lol. THe real point forget stereotypes about nations or even what country yo want to associate Messing with - he is a very nice, charming and wonderful person.

Did I push a stereotype on him?! NO.
 

TallyT

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We can all agree he is pure class, and showed it right then and there... does it matter whether it's Canadian or US class?
 

labgoat

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Because like many skaters, the US fed will let them go to other country that they have family connection to.

Keegan has that and therefore I'm all for him skating for Canada. But I was just pointing out to skaterboy that he is indeed American and skated for us at one time.

I agree as a fellow can-am person. I very much enjoy Keegan as a skater and a person no matter which country he represents. I'm glad he has a pathway to compete for all of us to enjoy his talents.
 

4everchan

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We can all agree he is pure class, and showed it right then and there... does it matter whether it's Canadian or US class?

oh lord... of course what matters is that Keegan has great sportsmanship, no matter how many passports he holds.

the point though is that, yes, it is a stereotype and an ongoing one at that, that Canadians are polite, classy, have great decorum and sportsmanship... there have been many jokes about that... and yes, when the first poster here called Keegan 110% Canadian for his wonderful gesture, it was just playing this stereotype in light humour...

the problem is that people are so serious about these things... it's a running gag... like the "sorry" one... as you don't seem to know much about Canadian culture, let me explain that one to you... Canadians always apologize... for random things at times...

for instance Bianca Andreescu just beat Serena Williams at the US Open in front of a very pro-Serena crowd (which is normal as Serena is American and a legend!)... well, Bianca apologized...

have a look.. this is an example coming from CBC.... nobody said that Bianca's parents were born in Romania and that her Canadian stereotypical behaviour could come from there...

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/bianca-andreescu-us-open-canadian-apology-1.5275031

If you didn't know Bianca Andreescu was Canadian when she won the U.S. Open, you certainly realized it very quickly during her post-match interview.

"I know you guys wanted Serena to win, so I'm so sorry," Andreescu said to the crowd at New York's Arthur Ashe Stadium.
 

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Three cheers for Keegan! :yay: :yay: :yay:


.... nobody said that Bianca was born and Romania and that her Canadian stereotypical behaviour could come from there...

I think that you meant to say that nobody said that Bianca was born in Romania?

Bianca was born in Canada, so I am not understanding why it is notable that nobody said that she was born in Romania.


(As others have said: Keegan was born in the U.S. -- with Canadian parentage; and Japanese ancestry. Awesome all around. :ghug:)
 

4everchan

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Three cheers for Keegan! :yay: :yay: :yay:




I think that you meant to say that nobody said that Bianca was born in Romania?

Bianca was born in Canada, so I am not understanding why it is notable that nobody said that she was born in Romania.


(As others have said: Keegan was born in the U.S. -- with Canadian parentage; and Japanese ancestry. Awesome all around. :ghug:)

not quite.. i meant her parents. i corrected my post.. in the haste of typing, i wrote things wrongly..but my point remains the same and your post ignores it...
 
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