Just wait for a while, and you'll be dissuaded from this silly notion by very knowledgeable people, and will realise that they're just being exploited.
Being exploited is not entirely negative, you didn't know that?
Just wait for a while, and you'll be dissuaded from this silly notion by very knowledgeable people, and will realise that they're just being exploited.
Just wait for a while, and you'll be dissuaded from this silly notion by very knowledgeable people, and will realise that they're just being exploited.
Being exploited is not entirely negative, you didn't know that?
Just wait for a while, and you'll be dissuaded from this silly notion by very knowledgeable people, and will realise that they're just being exploited.
What? Where did this come from?
Has Alina been exploited? Some make it while some don't make it. That's sports and that's life.
I'm not sure what to think. The exploitation comment caught me off base a little bit. Could there be shades of exploitation among the figure skating children? I don't know. That's up for each person to figure out. But they seem to love what they do. I guess if parents are pushing kids into sports or a certain activity for their pleasure and their excitement that could be a form of exploitation. No?Exactly. No one has said that anyone is "exploited". It's a comment that came out of nowhere.
(at least on the Board, as far as I can tell. I don't really care what anyone says out in the World Wide Web. And just general allusions to what someone thinks someone said or "Oh well this is what people here say" without actually quoting anyone. If you disagree with someone, quote them and say why. If you can't point to a specific post, why say anything?)
Very confusing.
I'm not sure what to think. The exploitation comment caught me off base a little bit. Could there be shades of exploitation among the figure skating children? I don't know. That's up for each person to figure out. But they seem to love what they do. I guess if parents are pushing kids into sports or a certain activity for their pleasure and their excitement that could be a form of exploitation. No?
There could be, of course, but just for me, I don't like to talk about "could be's". I might take a quote from a skater, or their parent, and say, "this troubles me", but without quotes or other info, I certainly wouldn't say someone is being "exploited".
And I haven't seen anyone else say it either, not that I've read every post on this Board That's why I ask for specifics, usually, because generalities aren't that interesting to me
I think maybe living vicariously through them starts, if the parents do not let their children quit or pursue something else( "I invested in this so you will not quit" etc.) Just putting them in class, to give them some sport and movement(which all children need) and then supporting them if they really enjoy it, to me that is not living through your childrenYes could bs are always confusing.
But the more I think about shades of exploitation the more I think about athlete's parents living through their children's efforts to become something in their sport. Is living vicariously through your child's athletic efforts a shade of exploitation? probably not but I would understand if somebody thought that would be the case. For instance my parents met at art school and my dad has been an artist for decades and that's how he made his living. I have some lesser art talent and I have kind of guided my stepdaughter into the art field first to see if she likes it and then to see if she will stick with it. I of course have had the thought cross my mind that she could make a career in the art industry the way my father has. Is that a form of exploitation on my part? I hope not. She may or may not have a career in art that is to be determined years down the road but all of us are excited that she has an interest in it and has talent as well to this point for design and sketching in particular.
Are the parents who bring their children into figure skating or hockey or gymnastics living vicariously through them in some way? Maybe so. but I don't necessarily think it's exploitation. But we're only human after all and anyone would do anything they can to get their child a head start in life. But that's not always good as we've learned from the college scandals in America where wealthy celebrities are buying their kids way into prestigious universities when they don't deserve to be there. Now that is exploiting your child. SMH.
What quantifies the Tutberidze Effect?
Is it a vector? with impulse and direction?
Is it a field? with flux and field strength? how is it distributed?
Is it a force? attracting, repulsing, what does it act upon?
Continuous research is needed to find out, and this is where I leave you.
I think maybe living vicariously through them starts, if the parents do not let their children quit or pursue something else( "I invested in this so you will not quit" etc.) Just putting them in class, to give them some sport and movement(which all children need) and then supporting them if they really enjoy it, to me that is not living through your children
Wishing her well.
Still, it never hurts to be cautious in passing out the GOAT award. Carlo Fossi coached four skaters to the Olympic gold metal (Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, John Curry and Robin Cousins, plus Scott Hamilton briefly).
Tatiana Tarasova coached/choreographed for Bestemianova & Bukin, Grishuk & Platov, Krilova & Ponomarenko, Rodnina & Zaitsev, Gordeeva & Grinkov, Ilia Kulik, and Alexei Yagudin. Plus she was influential in the careers of many other champions.
But if lets say China makes a multi million dollar a year offer and an 8 figure bonus when there will be a CHN gold in singles?
Chinese officials have asked Eteri to train their girl. Eteri named a price the Chinese will certainly not be willing to pay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zng1GIaC24&t=4404
What did the Chinese Fed ask exactly? The auto-translation is just terrible. I understand that Eteri simply gave a ridiculous hour rate to be polite, but then they talked about Plushenko, did Chinese Fed ask Plushenko as well? I am lost.
On the other hand, Brian and Tracy fly all the way to Beijing to train Chinese skaters. I guess Eteri can do the same, but she is just not interested?
She is fiercely loyal to Russia, committed to her own skaters, both in good and bad times. Plus she is on FFKKR/FFKM,Sambo-70's payroll, sort of like a public servant to the Ministry of Sports. She'll have to get herself fired/leave from public service first to start working for another federation.
Plyushchenko might perhaps have to liquidate or hand over his own business/enterprise the Angels before becoming a full time coach/advisor for the Chinese.
Orser and Wilson are freelance professionals, used to working at tasks by the hour, as the commercial choreographers are. They might take up a position of advisor, general manager, setting up and overseeing things, but not like 'getting their hands dirty' with actual training/coaching full time.
Wether another federation can poach Dudakov, Gleikhengauz or Rozanov? My guess is no, they love their skaters, they enjoy raising them up and coach them to this high level, enjoy working as a team together, sharing the satisfaction, the results of their labour together. We'll see after 2022 Olympics what their individual ambitions are.
There will be huge language and cultural barriers to overcome if any person not Chinese is asked to set up a long term program to study and apply the Tutberidze Effect. If you don't think, talk and feel like a Chinese, it probably won't work.
It seems the Chinese are doing quite well on their own, the impetus, the momentum is certainly there.
Eteri was also willing to accept Shoma this year, though it didn't work out.