I don't know about chinese skaters at summer camp, I know about philippine skaters (and Dudakov participated in Manila once or twice). But it is different with summer camp and with full time training. Summer camp can be useful in two ways. Also, with Shoma there was never any serious talk about Eteri being his full time coach from any side, despite some previous rumours. With Lilbet, Lilbet herself said she had to persuade Eteri that she really desire for it to accept her back. Specific cases are not general rule.
The Tutberidze Effect
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I don't know about chinese skaters at summer camp, I know about philippine skaters (and Dudakov participated in Manila once or twice). But it is different with summer camp and with full time training. Summer camp can be useful in two ways. Also, with Shoma there was never any serious talk about Eteri being his full time coach from any side, despite some previous rumours. With Lilbet, Lilbet herself said she had to persuade Eteri that she really desire for it to accept her back. Specific cases are not general rule.
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Daniil kind of gave it away in an interview he did sometimes in May, I believe. I'll link to it later if I find it, it was a really interesting one in many other aspects as well, though I'm not sure if there're English subtitles. Anyway, there he's asked what skaters he would like to work with that are not from their camp, to which he answers that he can't say too much yet, but if things work out, this season he's going to choreograph for a very high profile male skater who isn't Russian. It's a fairly safe bet to say he meant Shoma. So whatever didn't work out in the end, a more permanent arrangement with Eteri as Shoma's coach was certainly considered at some point.
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For me it’s completely not obvious. I do not understand why you wrote the word "certainly". Summer camp and choreography - this is not the same as constant training.
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Daniil mentioned it in the interview he gave to Emma Gadzhiyeva, in April. And all he said when asked if any foreigners wanted a choreo done by him, was that "maybe... I'll do a choreo for a foreign athlete, a BOY, quite high profile one". He probably meant Daniel Grassl, who's supposed to come (at least, it was planned some time ago) for a week or two of training to Sambo-70 by end of this Aug.
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Daniel Grassl already got both his programs choreographed by Benoit Richaud
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a) You're right. And it has never ever happened in the history of figure skating that the programmes & plans were changed. Sure.
b) Daniil said "maybe", he never said "I will".
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I’d be surprised Grassl has consistently been going to Mishin camps in August for training and he had the Kostner show as well recently. I’ve never heard anything about Grassl having anything to do with Daniil or Eteri. Also I really like Grassl but I wouldn’t call him high ranking
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In the same interview he says that he has concrete plans to get his choreo done by Benoit. In that case this still wouldn't fit as he'd be going there as a skater on a training camp not to get choreo. Again Daniel Grassl isn't the calibre of skater that Daniil would talk about like that--it's much more likely this was a reference to Shoma
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Daniil gave his interview to Emma in early April; Daniel gave his end of May. Things/plans change.
So you think Daniil was referring to a 22 year old as a "мальчик/boy"? Ok.
Ok, so it is only hypothesis that if the Chinese Feb comes to Eteri, she would reject. I thought the discussion from the video was about the Chinese Fed actually asked Eteri and offered a position.
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Don't think it's a huge leap at all. Daniil choreographs for the team, the timing fits, it honestly makes no sense that Shoma's prefered choice would be to remain coachless for the season and he hasn't been shopping around with any other prominent coaches other than Eteri. It's really nothing scandalous, not sure why there're so many here who scramble to deny it... he looked into getting coached by Eteri, it didn't fit for whatever reason, either for her or for him or likely both, now it's not happening. Really no big deal.
You still didn't deliver a single proof, you are just making it foggy now.
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I already said I feel very certain to say it's him Daniil was talking about in his interview ( It's this one, timestamp around 26:30), really didn't think it was such a topic of contention that Shoma and Eteri considered the possibility of working together fulltime
Forgive me if it is, you're completely free to disagree with me on that. It's really not a hill I'm willing to die on. Anyway, I brought it up together with other things to point out that Eteri has somewhat softened her stance on not accepting any foreign skaters at all, so who knows what the future brings on that front.
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Thank you for putting this topic in perspective. What is everyone getting all angry and combative about, whether they did or they didn't?
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It is just, do they really have the time to apply the Tutberidze Effect to guests. Workload is already maxed out, ice time limited?
Accomplished foreign adult skaters do not really need to learn new technique, since they have done well using their present.
Would be nice to see the result of Gleikhengauz staging a program for a skater completely unknown to him, but other than that, I can see no real benefits to a short exposure.
Accomplished foreign adult skaters do not really need to learn new technique, since they have done well using their present.
Would be nice to see the result of Gleikhengauz staging a program for a skater completely unknown to him, but other than that, I can see no real benefits to a short exposure.
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I already said I feel very certain to say it's him Daniil was talking about in his interview ( It's this one, timestamp around 26:30), really didn't think it was such a topic of contention that Shoma and Eteri considered the possibility of working together fulltime
This was brought here already with proper translation and even with my minimal understanding of russian I can confirm that he spoke about "malchik", boy, It is much more probable he spoke about Daniel Grassl, not Shoma. As for Daniil making programs for foreigners that isn't anything new, he did it several times already, but it has nothing to do with the (change of) attitude to foreigners training full-time in Khrustalnyi. it is not "such a topic" per se (though rumors made this a big thing months ago), it was brought here as a part of the debate and as that it was counterargumented by me and others. Not a big deal
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It’s normal when people don’t like that someone is trying to invent something. The fact is that initially only the summer camp was announced. It took place and Shoma left, that's all.
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Well, if Eteri says in an interview that she wouldn‘t be particularly interested in training foreign athletes such as Tursynbaeva and a year or so later she‘s suddenly all keen on doing just that, I don‘t know what I‘d call it if not a change of attitude. Whatever the reasons are, it‘s not like it‘s a bad thing. Obviously Elizabet is thriving under her new coach and I dare say Eteri isn‘t entirely indifferent towards her and their shared success either. 
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