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I wonder if they'll be the same length? Like 3 minutes each or something
SP and FS replaced by Technical and Artistic programs?
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Maybe they should get rid of gender separation in the artistic program, make it an intergender competition.
I understand the reasoning for the division of genders in FS, after all, on average, women jump fewer revolutions in the air compared to men, so without separating them women would have fewer chances to win things.
However artistic program should be an ultimate equalizer for genders, an emphasis wouldn't be on the jumps, hence, why not make it a competition where everyone can participate.
Who wouldn't want to see Yuzuru battle it out with, let's say, Yuna, for the title of the world artistic figure skating champion?
I understand the reasoning for the division of genders in FS, after all, on average, women jump fewer revolutions in the air compared to men, so without separating them women would have fewer chances to win things.
However artistic program should be an ultimate equalizer for genders, an emphasis wouldn't be on the jumps, hence, why not make it a competition where everyone can participate.
Who wouldn't want to see Yuzuru battle it out with, let's say, Yuna, for the title of the world artistic figure skating champion?
Ill keep an open mind... but it's the calculation that's the problem... not ratios and multipliers as such.
Like I said earlier, with the whole "Artistic" and "Technical" categories it's very easy to go down the wrong path.
I'd greatly prefer it called the Flexible or Freestyle program rather than Artistic. Because it's the flexibility and freedom that is needed to do more artistic programs. But it's still not an artistic contest and the "Artistic" label is just going to cause confusion.
And rather than "Technical", call it the "Full" program.
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Could any kind soul give us non-Russophones a full translation?
Item #3 kind of puts the debate into focus. What is "complexity"?. Is "artistic" the opposite "complex" in the ISU's thinking? To use our poster child, is Jason Brown's Love is B program "less complex" than a program that goes quad, quad combo, 3A, bow?
This is the best potential of the IJS.
Now if only they would include more point opportunities for different kinds of jump difficulty based on challenges other than the number of revolutions in the air, and more opportunities to earn technical points through non-jump technical skills.
Then more skaters would have the opportunity to design their programs to maximize their strengths, more different kinds of strengths would be rewarded in elite programs, and fans would get to see more variety, with consistent rules (at least for each year, before they tweak them again) for how much each skill is worth relative to others.
Program components are always going to be more subjective. Nevertheless, I love breaking them down and want to see the use of the separate scores improved, not dismissed.
I do think that the skills that go into the various PCS -- especially Skating Skills -- are worth rewarding in a competitive context and that skaters who excel in these areas and are only average for their event at element skills should be able to find a strategy on a level playing field to compete with skaters who excel at difficult elements and are only average at PCS.
Obviously, anyone who can excel in both areas is most likely to win overall.
One program that lets the element experts compete with the all-around experts for technical medals, and another programs that lets the program component experts compete with the all-around experts for "artistic" medals (probably a better word might be more appropriate at least in an Olympic-style sports context) would be welcome IMO.
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It's words of Lakernik - I didn't add anything from myself :confused2: You can check it yourself through google translate - if you don't believe me. I omitted some lines which everybody knows already and left only key points though.
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Freestyle -- I like it. Makes it sound like cool sports such as skateboarding.This one I am not so fond off. Makes it sound like Freestyling is less than a "full program."
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Maybe they should get rid of gender separation in the artistic program, make it an intergender competition.
I understand the reasoning for the division of genders in FS, after all, on average, women jump fewer revolutions in the air compared to men, so without separating them women would have fewer chances to win things.
However artistic program should be an ultimate equalizer for genders, an emphasis wouldn't be on the jumps, hence, why not make it a competition where everyone can participate.
Who wouldn't want to see Yuzuru battle it out with, let's say, Yuna, for the title of the world artistic figure skating champion?
I’m
with that. That’s what they did in the Peggy Fleming trophy, all genders in one comp. The top three were Jason, Andrew Torgashev and Karen Chen.
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I understand you. I'm a skating sexist, too. People can howl all they want, but my personal preferences are my own.
I just can't sign on to men doing laybacks, and I have to literally look away when a man does a Biellmann spin.
Although, a bit a disagreement. No problem with women doing camel spins, so long as the position is beautiful - like a really well-done spiral spinning around in one spot. I think the camel spin was traditionally a ladies spin in the early years.
And, come to think of it, I'm not overly fond of Biellmann spins for women, either.
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Freestyle is a great name. They could've introduced a new freestyle/extreme disciplines for gliders/quadsters if they want more medals and leave the existing all-around single skating as it is.
That's because they are not true 4lzes. It's infuriating to see ISU let that happen. Only Jin, Chen, Kolyada and Hanyu's 4lzes should have been ratified imo (i didn't give a close look to Samarin's).
Apocalypse.Who wouldn't want to see Yuzuru battle it out with, let's say, Yuna, for the title of the world artistic figure skating champion?
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Zhou?
Sure, some have been < but he's also completely gotten round. I don't see an edge problem either.
Massive pre-rotation.
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I'll have to go back and look when I have time, but I don't recall it being horrific.
I certainly don't remember it being like Shoma's 4F, for example.
Watch the difference.
https://mobile.twitter.com/corszk1220/status/1139264295051468800
Very different from Yuzu's who has 0 pre-rotation or Boyang's who has very minimal pre-rotation.
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That's ~90 for Yuzu - not 0, but it's okay. Definitely better than 180.
Well, i shouldn't trust my eyes then.
I can't understand this angle for Nathan, looks to me he is on toepick rather than outside edge.......
