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... skater can get if they skate everything perfectly? What would be the layout?
What is the highest possible TES under current rules
- Thread starter VenusHalley
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For ladies? Men? Dance? Pairs? All four?
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For singles:
4T
4S
FCCoSp4
4Lo
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+3LoX
4A+3LoX
ChSq1
4A+1Eu+3LzX
FCSp4
Has a BV of 115.77 and a maximum of 163.92.
I'm not 100% sure if those are the maximum values you can get for the spins though?
(ETA: I've just dumped things in a random order obviously, apart from backloading the combos with the highest value jumps, possibly backloading 4-4 combos might get more? But It's late here)
4T
4S
FCCoSp4
4Lo
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+3LoX
4A+3LoX
ChSq1
4A+1Eu+3LzX
FCSp4
Has a BV of 115.77 and a maximum of 163.92.
I'm not 100% sure if those are the maximum values you can get for the spins though?
(ETA: I've just dumped things in a random order obviously, apart from backloading the combos with the highest value jumps, possibly backloading 4-4 combos might get more? But It's late here)
OK, slight tweak:
4T
4S
FCCoSp4
3Lo
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+4LoX
4A+3LoX
ChSq1
4A+1Eu+3LzX
FCSp4
BV: 116:33, maximum: 161.68
Higher BV but lower maximum because of the GOE on the 4Lo.
I can't see anything else that can be done with the jumps without Zayaking?
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Could the first 3Lo be changed into another 4Lz? Since repetition of two quads/triples are allowed
It depends on just how much you're willing to ignore feasibility in making your list. In singles, if you can jump your Lutzes in both directions, you could (in theory) do:
Element BV GOE
4F 11.00 5.50
4Lo 10.50 5.25
4S 9.70 4.85
3A 8.00 4.00
CCoSp4 3.50 1.75
CLSp4 3.20 1.60
FCCoSp4 3.50 1.75
StSq4 3.90 1.95
4A+4T+3Lo x 29.59 6.25
4A+3Lz x 20.24 6.25
3A+4Lz x 21.45 9.75
ChSq1 3.00 2.50
127.58 51.40
Total TES 178.98
Disclaimer: I made this a while ago for fun and haven't double checked it.
Element BV GOE
4F 11.00 5.50
4Lo 10.50 5.25
4S 9.70 4.85
3A 8.00 4.00
CCoSp4 3.50 1.75
CLSp4 3.20 1.60
FCCoSp4 3.50 1.75
StSq4 3.90 1.95
4A+4T+3Lo x 29.59 6.25
4A+3Lz x 20.24 6.25
3A+4Lz x 21.45 9.75
ChSq1 3.00 2.50
127.58 51.40
Total TES 178.98
Disclaimer: I made this a while ago for fun and haven't double checked it.
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What about:
4T
3A
3A
3Lz
FCSp4
FCoSp4
ChCoS4 (sorry if these abbreviations are wrong but you get the point)
SStq4
4A + 4Lz
4A + 4Lo
4F + eu + 4S
edit:
I think it would actually be slightly better to do
4S
3A
3A
3Lz
FCSp4
FCoSp4
ChCoS4 (sorry if these abbreviations are wrong but you get the point)
SStq4
4A + 4Lz
4A + 4Lo
4F + 4T + 3T
4T
3A
3A
3Lz
FCSp4
FCoSp4
ChCoS4 (sorry if these abbreviations are wrong but you get the point)
SStq4
4A + 4Lz
4A + 4Lo
4F + eu + 4S
edit:
I think it would actually be slightly better to do
4S
3A
3A
3Lz
FCSp4
FCoSp4
ChCoS4 (sorry if these abbreviations are wrong but you get the point)
SStq4
4A + 4Lz
4A + 4Lo
4F + 4T + 3T
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Can i just say that if we are looking at 4As and +4T and =4L can we look at at 2Eu as well? I have a hard time thinking a 2Eu is harder than a 4A. I just think it would look so pretty!
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can 2Eu actually be done?
Maybe it would be prettier than the 1Eu, which for most people looks like a stepout...
I think is is possible but I expect it would be more difficult to maintain flow to execute a triple salchow afterward, much less any kind of quad.
I suppose it would be called 2Lo in the protocols since there's no value for 2Eu in the current Scale of Values.
I'd love to see several additional different kinds of difficulty built into the scoring, in which case there would be more options for how to rack up points. Maybe the very best jumpers would be able to combine these other types of difficulty with quadruple jumps. But more likely we'd see quad jumpers with the current types of skills and other jumpers keeping par with other difficulties such as reverse triples.
BTW, Euler into lutz would not be legal. Euler by definition lands on a back inside edge and lutz takes off from a back outside edge. A deliberate change of edge would invalidate the combination. For all the examples where you list 1Eu+Lz, change the Lz to a F.
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I swear i read that the foot cross position that we now see on jumps was not always there. Pretty sure early doubles were not done with a foot cross, so yeah i think it is possible.
also i think in ballet people do double jumps without a foot cross, so it should be translatable with practice.
If all else fails go for a 3Lo popped to a double... that could give time to get on the opposite foot.
I am not sure it would be easy... but it seems like it would be achievable and could be a lot of fun.
I will assume that the only difficulty in pulling off my proposed jump set is the number of revolutions, not the ridiculousness of the jump combination itself.
4T
4S
FCCoSp4
3A
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+4LoX
4A+4TX
ChSq1
4A+3T+3LoX
FCSp4
Holy fark that looks absolutely barbaric.
4T
4S
FCCoSp4
3A
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+4LoX
4A+4TX
ChSq1
4A+3T+3LoX
FCSp4
Holy fark that looks absolutely barbaric.
Wait, my own layout isn't allowed because quad restriction.
3A
4S
FCCoSp4
3A
StSq4
4F
CCoSp4
4Lz+4LoX
4A+4TX
ChSq1
4A+3T+3LoX
FCSp4
Thank you!
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I would have said that two years ago about three women doing the 4Lz in 2019.
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