Good jump technique is the foundation for jumps. They might not win you medals by themselves, but they can certainly keep you off podiums and derail your career (e.g. Asada, Med, Radianova, Pogo, ). Tukt has been able to hold onto longevity precisely because she has textbook jump technique, despite everything else about her skating being mediocre at best. There are "textbook" jumps for landings and positions that are widely agreed upon.
Skaters with proper technique: appreciation thread
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Good jump technique is the foundation for jumps. They might not win you medals by themselves, but they can certainly keep you off podiums and derail your career (e.g. Asada, Med, Radianova, Pogo, ). Tukt has been able to hold onto longevity precisely because she has textbook jump technique, despite everything else about her skating being mediocre at best. There are "textbook" jumps for landings and positions that are widely agreed upon.
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:thumbsup: a good selection!
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Don’t really care about proper technique on jumps, sad to say....
Spins: Jason Brown, Deniss Vasiljevs, of course back in the day Toller (no not Denise Bielmann, can’t stand that spin:noshake
I think in spins, proper technique may be more necessary for good scoring than for revolutions in the air. But I don’t know for sure
Spins: Jason Brown, Deniss Vasiljevs, of course back in the day Toller (no not Denise Bielmann, can’t stand that spin:noshake
I think in spins, proper technique may be more necessary for good scoring than for revolutions in the air. But I don’t know for sure
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It s not just fans, there is a guidline and simulations by ISU how jumps should and shouldn't be done. Which one is proper technique which one is cheated. I think the one who have it should be given a higher GOE atleast by the one who didnt have it. But you see, tukt's lutz sometimes even have lower GOE than some flutzer.
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This.
Edit - flutzers and full bladers and tiny jumpers... With no height nor distance who get 160 for FS.
Anyone want to discuss "proper technique" on skills like counters, rockers, brackets, twizzles, choctaws, etc.?
The technical panel sure pays close attention during step sequences and pattern dances. Judges will notice there and also in in-between skating between elements, though their scoring process has more room to offset technical errors on such turns with good qualities also present in the sequences or transitions.
And what about good technique on crossovers and other basic stroking?
All just as important to the results as jump technique!
The technical panel sure pays close attention during step sequences and pattern dances. Judges will notice there and also in in-between skating between elements, though their scoring process has more room to offset technical errors on such turns with good qualities also present in the sequences or transitions.
And what about good technique on crossovers and other basic stroking?
All just as important to the results as jump technique!
Rika's lutz isn't perfect. She gets off the ice at or just before 180 degrees, so it's passable in my book. I'd argue Tomoe or Yuna are much better ambassadors for 'correct' lutzes. That said, Rika does a toe-assisted jump with a deep edge and gets off the ice before 180 degrees, which is much better than a lot of her rivals.
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This.
Edit - flutzers and full bladers and tiny jumpers... With no height nor distance who get 160 for FS.
Didn't you bash Anna with this exact statement somewhere else too? Please stop
This is rapidly dissolving into a skater bashing party just like I feared it would
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Yes!
I know very little, but I am willing to learn (and hearing Rohene’s voice still in that classic training clip with Jason: that’s not a counter! Clean up that choctaw! What kind of spin is thaaaat?)
Much more interesting, to me, than staring at the edge or the toe or the whatever in a jump
I just did a search on youtube for "figure skating counter technique" and found a whole page of links to videos by coaches and others describing what these turns are and how they are supposed to be performed.
Same for the names of each of the other difficult turns.
That should give a good start for fan self-education.
Same for the names of each of the other difficult turns.
That should give a good start for fan self-education.
no honey, this is textbook. let's please stop with this "full blade takeoff" crap. she doesn't even do anything near that in the example you provided.
with that, i am also leaving this thread
Gracie's lutz was ok, but not textbook. Textbook is when the toe leaves the ice after 90 degrees of preroation like Elizaveta, Yuna or Carolina. Gracie's turns her toe a little more on the ice and leaves after 180 degrees.
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This.
And both her lutz and toe loop were full blade assisted.
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The ISU rule book (which is sadly rarely properly followed by the judges), also if anyone can do a particular jump "with their own technique", then different jumps might as well not exist. The point of differentiating jumps is doing them with the proper technique.
Gracie does not have proper technique at all - she jumps both lutz and toe loop with full blade:
https://youtu.be/vAQGoOdH0b0
I am going to watch videos of the other suggested skaters tomorrow.
Please explain what you mean by jumping with the full blade and why it is a problem.
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Thank you.
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I always want to ask about that - why?
You understand that what you call a “textbook” is a training video from some gray 60s of the last century with double jumps? Why exactly 90? If 120 - is not a textbook anymore? Because videos with doubles from the 60s? 
Ok, lets talk about prer. In the midst of twitter-experts and “textbook”-fanatics there is such a inaudible, but implied statement - "prerotation is equivalent to UR". I mean, they often say: look, here 180 degrees of PRER and 90 degrees of UR (often it's far-fetched 90 degrees for more expression for further approval), so it's 3.25 turns (they love this number
), so it's triple, not quad, yeeeyy! I always considered this statement as very strange, because for me prer and UR are obvious not equivalent - because when making a prer, immediately at the moment of these 180 degrees, the skater almost does not stand on ice (a more rigorous formulation - his support reaction force is very small) and skater's body is an elongated, unfolded at a completely uncomfortable angle, figure. But the fanatics of the “holy zero prer” pretend that the skater is perfectly fine in this pose, and just now, at this moment, he/she started his/her jump!
So, why 90? Old video with double not argument for me - it's obviously, on a low-speed jump there will be have a small prer.
And one more question - is there here on this forum a real skater who actually did the triple? And who can tell from own experience that a triple made with prer over 90 degrees is much easier to do than with a prer less than less 90 degrees?
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These videos are not from the 60s and are not about doubles, OMG! Are you serious? They are computer simulations. In the 60s there was no computer animation. I would say they are at least from the 80s.I always want to ask about that - why?
Ok, lets talk about prer. In the midst of twitter-experts and “textbook”-fanatics there is such a inaudible, but implied statement - "prerotation is equivalent to UR". I mean, they often say: look, here 180 degrees of PRER and 90 degrees of UR (often it's far-fetched 90 degrees for more expression for further approval), so it's 3.25 turns (they love this number
I always considered this statement as very strange, because for me prer and UR are obvious not equivalent - because when making a prer, immediately at the moment of these 180 degrees, the skater almost does not stand on ice (a more rigorous formulation - his support reaction force is very small) and skater's body is an elongated, unfolded at a completely uncomfortable angle, figure. But the fanatics of the “holy zero prer” pretend that the skater is perfectly fine in this pose, and just now, at this moment, he/she started his/her jump!
So, why 90? Old video with double not argument for me - it's obviously, on a low-speed jump there will be have a small prer.
And one more question - is there here on this forum a real skater who actually did the triple? And who can tell from own experience that a triple made with prer over 90 degrees is much easier to do than with a prer less than less 90 degrees?
I am tired of all of these excuses why some skaters have such poor technique.
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Ha-ha-ha, I'm really laughing right now.
I do numerical methods and it always amuses me how people who are far from this confuse “simulation” and “animation”. This is animation my dear not a simulation You can draw anything, it's not relevant. It’s just a convenient, simplified, educational animation.Yea? But I’m really interested is why prer over 90 degrees is a bad technique, and less 90 it is a good one?
What is the basis of your belief that the prer makes it easier to jump? Maybe so, but who said it? Has anyone researched it? Famous figure skaters said - "I did with prer and without, with prer was much easier, almost like a double" ? Can you give a link to this?
