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Good example with short track skating. But this is also ISU. They can when they want
FFKKR appealed to ISU over inconsistency in judging at the GP stages
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Good example with short track skating. But this is also ISU. They can when they want
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She had some really really weird looking unmissable two foot landings, I was watching her 2010 Nationals FS not long ago and she had more than one of those bizarre landings of hers, I can't even describe them properly. I think the main reason she lost important title chances was rarely ever skating a clean FS without at least one stumble or fall.
And this is why I don't take Russians seriously with their conspiracy theory that everyone is against them. And they of course won't address you in this thread.
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I think they guy has responded to jenaj, saying he didn’t have Mirai in mind, and thinks she’s like Gubanova, a Russian skater that’s also scored not very favorably. (But his comment got deleted, I presume for the latter part where he said someone was trolling).
Also, I’d ask not to generalize Russians as a whole or round them up into something generic, you know, there might be people who think there’s something, others don’t think so.
I’m not even russian myself, but I do think it’s not very nice to even imply someone’s nationality and attach some negative meaning to it.
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I agree judging should be fair and equally strict on all skaters
But you just do not see this endless amount of whining and conspiracy talk if it is about non Russian skaters.
I'm not generalizing, it's an observation from the various threads here.
It's not even just Russians or all Russians. It is just that it is about Russians
Apart from of course Sotnikova/Kim. That was far more insane than anything here.
There was a half baked attempt by the Korean fed at complaining about Sochi ladies results, but that's just about it.
Perhaps that is one reason Russia is hardly going to get much sympathy from elsewhere with this protest.
Although I did think Sotnikova actually deserved to win, she was over scored, what's the point in denying it. I just dont think it was a conspiracy or anything.
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It's mainly Russia because they have the best skaters by a wide margin. But it is not only them in every instance but it is that in most instances.
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I much prefer strict panels over soft ones. Even at GP France, where we all agree the panel was pretty tough, I'd say I strongly disagreed with only one call: Alena's 3A in the SP. Even that jump wasn't really all the way around, just close enough that I thought it should have gotten full credit. Fortunately, she won anyway.
The problem with less stringent panels is that they aren't evenly critical with the calls. Skaters who have a reputation for being short on rotation get the vast majority of close < calls, whereas those are overlooked for others.
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This whole thing appears to me like in a kids recreational soccer tournament the referees are calling random PK against the dominant team to give more chances to weaker teams.
Imagine a skiing event the judges are adding an extra 1/2 second to Mikaela Shiffrin's times to help bring others to the top.
The same with all those "concerns" about quads. If you can't quad then train harder, rather than disallowing others to quad, simply because you can't do it.
Imagine a skiing event the judges are adding an extra 1/2 second to Mikaela Shiffrin's times to help bring others to the top.
The same with all those "concerns" about quads. If you can't quad then train harder, rather than disallowing others to quad, simply because you can't do it.
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I don't agree. Over recent years they've benefitted from it more than not.
I even wonder if the backlash from that has something to do with the stricter judging, even only subconsciously
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P*** poor job of it so far if that is the aim, because these ultra talented Russian girls are wiping the floor with everyone else by a wide margin so far
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Of course we don't like having people watch over our shoulders. We're trying to work and concentrate without worrying who's family member or rabid fan is tracking our every move and word ready to flip if we do something that might have an adverse effect on their darling.
Whether people like it or not, Russia has a point here. The calling has been stupidly inconsistent, especially this year. I'm 100% in favour of very strict panels - as long as they're strict on EVERYONE.
Plus, the ISU has to realise it's not a good look to have such wildly inconsistent calling.
I think there is a lot of eyerolling in this thread is because it's just funny coming from them, especially when mistakes in their skaters and/ or their deficiencies have by and large been given moreso the benefit of the doubt or overlooked in many cases over most countries. Mainly in ladies which their Fed ironically is complaining about. I do agree that judging should be more consistent across the board. I do give them that.
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I do not understand this. If you are an adult and do not work under duress, you must be responsible for your actions. In any field of activity. Judges are no exception. To hide refereeing behind a screen is a way to a dead end and the dense Middle Ages.
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There is no doubt that judging should be more consistent. However, it is quite ironic that they complain about "consistency" only after their skaters get called for things that have been overlooked for a long time. Thus, the eyerolling.
If people really want fair judging (and I am not sure they do ( the Russian federation wasn't happy with the fair edge calls)), the technical panel needs better equipment. They also need to be able to review each jump in slow-mo. This will take more time and a lot of skaters will get called. (including every almost Russian skater with the exception of possibly Trusova and Tuk, and even they might get URs..Tuk might get edge calls on her flip) Is this what the Russian fed really wants? It is what I want, but I doubt it is what the Russian federation wants or the ISU.
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So this is all about one call- Alina’s 3Lz e in the short program? I reviewed every call meticulously and everything else was fair in my opinion. If Alyona’s 3A in the short was past the 90 degree mark the call was made up for by the fact that at least one of her 3As in the free could have been considered under but were not called...
I call it whining because the argument they’re making is so juvenile. Like, “omg our skaters never got these calls before so surely it means they don’t have edge or UR issues! The judges must be out to get them!” No, they never got them before because of overly lenient panels. Alina UR and edge issues and Alyona’s (to a lesser degree) edge issues have been ongoing. There were I think 11 calls in total and I believe most if not all could be considered fair, meaning they have some basis in fact whether people agree with them or not. The outrage over them was over the top.
I call it whining because the argument they’re making is so juvenile. Like, “omg our skaters never got these calls before so surely it means they don’t have edge or UR issues! The judges must be out to get them!” No, they never got them before because of overly lenient panels. Alina UR and edge issues and Alyona’s (to a lesser degree) edge issues have been ongoing. There were I think 11 calls in total and I believe most if not all could be considered fair, meaning they have some basis in fact whether people agree with them or not. The outrage over them was over the top.
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Well I can agree with this but is it the argument RusFed is actually making? Like have they named any skaters from other federations that they believe should have received calls and didn’t? Or is it that their skaters didn’t deserve the calls they got? Because that’s where this feels really silly.
I definitely agree with you. This "conspiracy against Russians" bit grows tiring, especially after their ladies have so far won all GP's plus bronze or silver in each event. And that's not even taking into account the overlooked underrotations, wrong edges, and questionable pcs scores that have been received when so far generally in most of their careers, Mao Asada they are not. I mean really now all of this is just silly.
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This is actually an interesting example. In ski jumping, several years ago Japanese skiers started winning big time. European skiing federations complained that the Japanese had an advantage because the athletes were smaller. So the international governing honchos changed the rule to give taller skiers a better chance to win.
Now the rule is, your skis must be no more than 45% longer than you are tall, and if you are thin (in terms of body mass index), then you must saw off your skis even more.
I propose the following rule for figure skating. If you weigh under 45 kilos, then your quad only counts as much as a larger skater's triple. :yes:
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It's very smart. Points for any jumps should be multiplied by weight. This way some skaters would have almost 20% advantage over the smaller ones. That would be a winning factor...
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