WADA Compliance Review Committee / RUSADA

Edwin said:

Figures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia
https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/russia/
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/corruption-index
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/6896...n-corruption-saying-its-unavoidable-sometimes
https://www.coe.int/en/web/corruption/anti-corruption-digest/russian-federation
https://www.fpri.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/buckley.pdf
http://src-home.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/sympo/03september/pdf/M_Suhara.pdf

... from the first page of a Google search on the subject ...

Is there any unbiased independent native Russian study on this subject?

Talk all you want, two wrongs don't make a right. Deep rooted corruption runs through all layers of society, has infested all professions, and that might include yours ...
It also makes demanding changes in culture so much more difficult, since you will cut your own flesh ...

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And it sort of sustains the common public impression that cheating in sports is allowed "since everybody does it"? Which is the main theme of this thread after all. State organised doping programs are a corruption of sports.

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Alex65 said:

Well, Russia is far from an ideal country; it would be ridiculous to say the opposite. But this is my country, and my children and my grandchildren will live here and do their best to make their lives better.
I know that you read a lot of Russian sports sites. And you cannot help but see that this topic is being covered in a very critical light. So why are you posting this:

After all, this is absolutely not consistent with what is actually.

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beachmouse said:

One of the reasons why the Russian federation seems to be on permaban with the IAAF is that there is evidence they allowed a banned coach and his athletes to compete at a high level domestic meeting (which might have been part of the selection process for international teams) while those athletes were serving an international doping suspension. There's a little info here:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ion-faces-iaaf-2015jan15-story.html?_amp=true

I wish that Evan Dunfee's old blog where he first raised questions about the event was still up because the comments on 'shoegate'- the meeting organizers later tried to claim that the pictures of the athletes under doping bans were from 2012 and just mislabeled on the web site- were an interesting lesson on how Nike, adidas, etc. may or may not release apparel to sponsored athletes before it's for sale to the general public, the timeline for that, and how even if Ivan or Irina had gotten an early version of those shoes or a singlet in that fabric, there was still now way anyone would have had those shoes on a race in 2012 unless actual time travel was involved.

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gmyers said:

There was a training camp in Kyrgyzstan all the athletes were sent to and a banned coach travelled there himself to be with the team!

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KOBOT37 said:

Rodchenkov's entire story has huge logical flaws.
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thedude said:

Sorry the argument in this whole post makes no sense.
The first paragraph is essentially trying to create doubt about Rodchenkov's character with very little evidence. NDAs aren't there to prevent talking about illegal activities. If you're part of a criminal conspiracy, you can't tell the authorities, "Sorry, I would love tell you about all the illegal things I did but I signed a NDA with my Mafia boss". That's absurd.

The 2nd paragraph of your post. Are you actually trying to convince people that because he's alive therefore he's lying about the FSB because he would be dead otherwise. By that logic, the only way for him to prove that he is telling the truth is to go back to Russia and die but if he lives, he's lying? Not very many people in this world would take their chances of living and freedom with the Russian legal system.

Your last argument is that 2 dead people who had information related to one of the largest scandals in the world could have died from stress or any number of reasons? Ok, it's true we don't have any evidence of wrong doing. But friends and family members of Nikita Kamaev reported that he no known health issues, and that he was going to write a tell all book about the Russian doping program. Again all that is just suspicious circumstances, not evidence.
How is there supposed to be evidence when it's alleged that Russian secret police are the ones that killed them?! You can't have evidence if the one's responsible gathering the evidence are the ones suspected of the crime. Their deaths and the cause of their deaths isn't the reason why Russia has been banned but it should matter to Russian citizens that their cause of death be fully cleared of any wrongdoing.

Your whole argument is that Rodchenkov is a liar. He might be, but the investigation wasn't based only on his word. It was the investigators who took the evidence he provided and corroborated the evidence he provided. From the re-testing of samples at Sochi, the evidence of tampering with the BEREG-KIT bottles, the database, the other whistle blower Yulia and Vitaly Stepanova, the holes at the Sochi Lab to bypass security cameras, and many other things are the reasons why Russia was banned. The reason Russia is banned again because after being reinstated it still is accused of manipulating the database when part of the agreement to be reinstated was that the database that Rodchenkov provided be compared to the database in Moscow labs.

So while Rodchenkov was big part of the investigation, he wasn't sole reason for the Russian ban.

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edwin said:

it seems some sports sites are less in line with the (in)official government directives than others. When this whole affair escalates and deteriorates further, some of those critical sites might find their licenses revoked, their offices stormed by fsb and their owners being arrested or worse. of course there is always the russian diaspora that lives in freedom to rely on for relaying information from within the sanitary cordon. internet is nothing but bits and bytes shaped into words and opinions, and these bytes will always find a way out.

For now, i think tass does a reasonable job on keeping me informed on how 'russia' deals with this crisis. Various blog sites do too, and it's best to avoid the others, including most of the yellow pages press.

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LanaD said:

i wish no country would be treated like here: go to 4:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HY2Ft3b7HA

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Alex65 said:

and the joy of the crowd around in live TV.

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LanaD said:

thank you for counting my post! I also was wondering why they are disappearing. Thought that I messed up something trying to edit. Have not participated in forums previously, and this is my first steps..
Regarding steps - maybe it is right, and i do not understand the meaning of words "Step on me" on the flag. Just have some feeling that it is not appropriate to step on any flag. Would appreciate if you could explain. It would be such relieve, if i was indeed wrong. Thanks.
So far, i cannot say i like my experience of participating in the forum. Too much negativity. Hopefully someday day people will be more kind to each other.

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thedude said:

This is has nothing to do with WADA/RUSADA topic, but I'll entertain it anyway. LanaD has 4 posts (it says 17 , but only 4 show up on the profile history) 3 are cut and paste schedule with no writing. I actually respect the troll job on this one.

so.. i had 17 posts, why to not go the details, if you have started. Most of my posts should be predictions on competitions (occasionally i do well on this). And i think it should be 2-3 for this chat. And maybe one or two sometime before. That is it.
Sorry to ruin your exciting troll finding

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KOBOT37 said:

meanwhile WADA athletes committee refused to appeal in CAS for stronger Ban while Russia will send national olympic committee to appeal WADAs decision (this makes sense, technically its Russian Olympic committee whose right to display flag is being violated by that decision)

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According to this week's report, delivered by the law firm Covington and Burling LLP, Scott was not subjected to bullying or harassment during a contentious meeting last September, even though Francesco Ricci Bitti, an IOC member who also serves on WADA's executive committee, directed behavior toward her that could be viewed as "aggressive, harsh or disrespectful."

Some were skeptical of that conclusion.

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