Olympic figure skater, coaches being investigated for allegations

drivingmissdaisy · Dec 10, 2019

Skater Boy said:
Even if they are guilty I hope what happened to John Coughlin doesn't happen here. Interesting reading these comments more people are outraged with Jon and Sylvia rather than Morgan. I will be curious to see how this affects Vanessa and Morgan if at all.

I don't think that's the case. There really isn't anything to discuss when an adult sends naked pictures to a 13 year old. He'll get what's coming to him by law enforcement and the legal system. It's the enablers, those who try to cover-up for others, that help these problems persist and tend to escape scrutiny. In the Nassar and Coughlin cases, who else was punished besides the accused? We all know more people than them knew about what was going on, to some extent.

ladyjane · Dec 10, 2019

I'm still in shock. Probably because I couldn't believe it at first. I mean, sending D Picks is for nutters who get gratified through shocking their victims. I get them often enough, mainly am just annoyed, but, then, I'm 53 and not 13. It would have totally driven me crazy 40 yrs ago (I think, we had no internet of social media). And imagining an in my view normal, quite attractive (got nothing to do with it, I realise) guy doing it to a kid, is totally unexpected (and obviously out of bounds). And, to be honest, I've always been such a fan of Sylvia's especially. I know, nothing is definitely proven, but even so. Smoke and fire things.

Fontana and Zimmerman definitely have a daughter (I don't know about other kids), which makes this even more incomprehensible. I hope we get to know more soon, whatever the outcome. And foremost, I hope this little girl is alright. Thankfully, her parents are supporting her - at least that's how I read the articles.

mrrice · Dec 10, 2019

When I was teaching, it was part of our contract to report these incidents. If the coaches knew and said nothing.....They need to be fired. The violating skaters should be dealt with by law enforcement.

friedbanana · Dec 10, 2019

Disappointing and disgusting - hope the coaches who tried to cover this up get banned.

moonvine · Dec 10, 2019

Alegria said:
Statement from a publicist working with John Zimmerman, Silvia Fontana and Vinny Dispenza

https://twitter.com/cbrennansports/status/1204519008294322180

Wow. But doesn't Safesport put people on suspension when they're investigating?

hanyuufan5 · Dec 10, 2019

Alegria said:
Statement from a publicist working with John Zimmerman, Silvia Fontana and Vinny Dispenza

https://twitter.com/cbrennansports/status/1204519008294322180

Is there any other source for this besides an image on a reporter's Twitter? Anything direct from the source, in this case the publicist?

If anyone has surmised from my previous post that I'm taking sides in this, hopefully this will dispel that: I could make a better .JPEG declaring that aliens have appointed me Queen of Mars, and I want official statements and not all this secondhand stuff. :sarcasm: Not bashing her .JPEG skills, just saying that there's no way of telling from that image who the source really is, and I'm skeptical of anything but the direct word of anyone but the parties involved or their representation when it's about such serious matters.

believed · Dec 10, 2019

hanyuufan5 said:
Is there any other source for this besides an image on a reporter's Twitter? Anything direct from the source, in this case the publicist?

If anyone has surmised from my previous post that I'm taking sides in this, hopefully this will dispel that: I could make a better .JPEG declaring that aliens have appointed me Queen of Mars, and I want official statements and not all this secondhand stuff. :sarcasm: Not bashing her .JPEG skills, just saying that there's no way of telling from that image who the source really is, and I'm skeptical of anything but the direct word of anyone but the parties involved or their representation when it's about such serious matters.

...She is a professional reporter reporting the official statement she/USA Today was sent...

hanyuufan5 · Dec 10, 2019

believed said:
...She is a professional reporter reporting the official statement she/USA Today was sent...

She previously had a supposedly official statement that there was an investigation, now she's got another saying there isn't. Someone is lying to her, and it's anybody's guess who.

Gabby30 · Dec 10, 2019

Noxchild said:
How nice that the victim blamers are already out, as if a 13-year-old (!!!) would make up these charges against a famous skater and coaches and a host of adults believe her credulously. Because that happens so often to victims of sex crimes? BTW is all the correspondence in the article "alleged" too?

Anyway I'm just disgusted. Ban all these people from the sport and arrest them. My heart goes out to the accused and her family, and I hope they get their justice.

Just because someone is young it doesn't mean he/she is telling the truth. I have a hard time believing any kind of accusations, because nothing is 100% sure. There was that case years ago, where a 15 yo british girl accused a german teenage boy of abuse- they were on vacation in Turkey and meet there and the boy was jailed in Turkey for a long time.
But what came out afterwards:1) she was from a very religious family but was secretly meeting the boy, a no go for her religious parents, that's why she made up that accusation
2) The gynecological test showed, that she was still a virgin

The boy was innocent but everybody believed the "victim". She was being protected while the boys face was seen on TV channels. So yes, i don't care if someone is 8, 13 or 30. It says nothing about your guilt/innocence. It's even worse when famous people are involved. Many accuse famous people of things because of hurt feelings, or to get money, attention or whatever.
Sorry for the off topic

Mrs. P · Dec 10, 2019

hanyuufan5 said:
She previously had a supposedly official statement that there was an investigation, now she's got another saying there isn't. Someone is lying to her, and it's anybody's guess who.

That's not what she said. Christine said that it's likely that the coaches have not been contacted yet because of the stage of the investigation SafeSport is at. That doesn't mean there is no investigation of them.

The publicist job is to word things carefully.

saturdaysun · Dec 10, 2019

hanyuufan5 said:
She previously had a supposedly official statement that there was an investigation, now she's got another saying there isn't. Someone is lying to her, and it's anybody's guess who.

She is doing her job. Publicists can release any statement they want. Even Harvey Weinstein's publicists are still insisting he is innocent. It doesn't mean anyone is actually innocent and it's not up to the reporter to take a side, she is just reporting out the facts. The statement from the publicist is very carefully worded. It doesn't say there is no investigation, it says they were not contacted and the addition of the word "currently" when talking about claims against them is... interesting.

kwanette · Dec 10, 2019

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...skater-coaches-being-investigated/2629777001/ Christine updated the article

ladyjane · Dec 10, 2019

Gabby30 said:
Just because someone is young it doesn't mean he/she is telling the truth. I have a hard time believing any kind of accusations, because nothing is 100% sure. There was that case years ago, where a 15 yo british girl accused a german teenage boy of abuse- they were on vacation in Turkey and meet there and the boy was jailed in Turkey for a long time.
But what came out afterwards:1) she was from a very religious family but was secretly meeting the boy, a no go for her religious parents, that's why she made up that accusation
2) The gynecological test showed, that she was still a virgin

The boy was innocent but everybody believed the "victim". She was being protected while the boys face was seen on TV channels. So yes, i don't care if someone is 8, 13 or 30. It says nothing about your guilt/innocence. It's even worse when famous people are involved. Many accuse famous people of things because of hurt feelings, or to get money, attention or whatever.
Sorry for the off topic

Now I get nasty. What is still being a virgin got to do with anything? So, as long as someone isn't actually raped, it's okay? I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case, and I do feel for a boy who has been inaccurately accused, but having a young child undergo a test of (still) being a virgin is in my view barbarious. And it's not part of this abuse in any case. It's bad enough without.

ladyjane · Dec 10, 2019

Sorry, I'll leave this thread. I got really passionate about something I feel truly strong about, and I might have gone too far. See you.

Seren · Dec 10, 2019

Gabby30 said:
Just because someone is young it doesn't mean he/she is telling the truth. I have a hard time believing any kind of accusations, because nothing is 100% sure. There was that case years ago, where a 15 yo british girl accused a german teenage boy of abuse- they were on vacation in Turkey and meet there and the boy was jailed in Turkey for a long time.
But what came out afterwards:1) she was from a very religious family but was secretly meeting the boy, a no go for her religious parents, that's why she made up that accusation
2) The gynecological test showed, that she was still a virgin

The boy was innocent but everybody believed the "victim". She was being protected while the boys face was seen on TV channels. So yes, i don't care if someone is 8, 13 or 30. It says nothing about your guilt/innocence. It's even worse when famous people are involved. Many accuse famous people of things because of hurt feelings, or to get money, attention or whatever.
Sorry for the off topic

I don’t understand saying you have a hard time believing any kind of accusation when research shows time and time again that the majority of people who report assault are telling the truth. The percentage of people who lie about assault is very small. Unfortunately cases like you mention get all the media attention and people use them as examples of “SEE! THEY’RE ALL LIARS!!!11!!”

It’s no wonder victims of assault don’t come forward when people openly say they won’t believe them.

And seriously this whole thing is disgusting. If an inappropriate photo came from Cipres Instagram account then the only reasonable excuse would be his account was hacked. Which I assume he would have realized and reported.

I don’t understand sending these pictures period, but sending them to a minor is so stupid (in addition to disgusting and violating). The internet never forgets.

hanyuufan5 · Dec 10, 2019

Seren said:
And seriously this whole thing is disgusting. If an inappropriate photo came from Cipres Instagram account then the only reasonable excuse would be his account was hacked. Which I assume he would have realized and reported.

Another reasonable (if not gross) excuse would be that the girls' Instagram accounts were not identifiable as belonging to underage girls, and he thought he was sending the pictures to an adult.

Is the 13-year-old girl 13 now, or was she 13 in 2017? If she's 13 now, she would have in violation of the rules to even have an Instagram account in 2017, which could mean that a parent operated the account and he thought a parent requested the pictures.

Just too many unknowns here. I agree that the whole thing is disgusting: it's disgusting if all the allegations are true, disgusting if some of them are true and others not, and disgusting if none of them are true.

Moxiejan · Dec 10, 2019

hanyuufan5 said:
Another reasonable (if not gross) excuse would be that the girls' Instagram accounts were not identifiable as belonging to underage girls, and he thought he was sending the pictures to an adult.
Is the 13-year-old girl 13 now, or was she 13 in 2017? If she's 13 now, she would have in violation of the rules to even have an Instagram account in 2017, which could mean that a parent operated the account and he thought a parent requested the pictures.
Just too many unknowns here. I agree that the whole thing is disgusting: it's disgusting if all the allegations are true, disgusting if some of them are true and others not, and disgusting if none of them are true.

As the Brennan story states, the girl was 13 in 2017.

saturdaysun · Dec 10, 2019

hanyuufan5 said:
Another reasonable (if not gross) excuse would be that the girls' Instagram accounts were not identifiable as belonging to underage girls, and he thought he was sending the pictures to an adult.

Is the 13-year-old girl 13 now, or was she 13 in 2017? If she's 13 now, she would have in violation of the rules to even have an Instagram account in 2017, which could mean that a parent operated the account and he thought a parent requested the pictures.

Just too many unknowns here. I agree that the whole thing is disgusting: it's disgusting if all the allegations are true, disgusting if some of them are true and others not, and disgusting if none of them are true.

You are really going out of your way to find ways to excuse Morgan's behavior, and that is disgusting.

Skater Boy · Dec 10, 2019

linps said:
I read on reddit that Florida law enforcement appears to be involved.

I understand there is Safesport and then the US law and in particular the State of Florida. Corrupting a minor, sending porn or indecent photos to a minor or however it is worded in Florida could be criminal matters. Proving it requires strong evidence that establishes knowledge the person was a minor of course and that the material was of illegal nature andthat the canprove who distributed or sent it. Also, I guess other individual could be party to the crime or aiding and abbetting or even obstructing justice, intimidation. It depends on the wording of the law and all.

Skater Boy · Dec 10, 2019

saturdaysun said:
You are really going out of your way to find ways to excuse Morgan's behavior, and that is disgusting.

I am not sure anyone is defending anyone but these are points of law that would be at issue. There is what we know in our hearts; and there is what we can prove on AVAILABLE and ADMISSIBLE evidence. Often we know someone is guilty but can the prosecutors prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt is another issue.

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