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I think the more likely scenario is that her alleged use of cocaine probably has absolutely nothing to do with her skating career and is more of a personal choice, which is unfortunate for her. Some people use drugs to escape their pain, others do it purely for fun/rush of being high. We don't know what her situation is. However, if this is true (and by all accounts it seems to be reputable reporting) and she ends up losing her skating career over it, I just hope it was all worth it.
 

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If this reporting is true - that she did test positive, I think her only real shot of avoiding suspension, is to challenge the 'handling' process of the sample from the time she handed it over to the time it was tested. There was a baseball player in the US that got a suspension for performance enhancing drugs reversed on appeal because they argued not that he didn't do performance enhancing drugs but that because the collector did not follow procedure of getting his sample to the testing site in the appropriate amount of time that it voided his test.
 

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If this reporting is true - that she did test positive, I think her only real shot of avoiding suspension, is to challenge the 'handling' process of the sample from the time she handed it over to the time it was tested. There was a baseball player in the US that got a suspension for performance enhancing drugs reversed on appeal because they argued not that he didn't do performance enhancing drugs but that because the collector did not follow procedure of getting his sample to the testing site in the appropriate amount of time that it voided his test.

I am not sure if there has been a single case when any appeal from a Russian athlete was successful. The curling case during the last Olympics was a pure mistery. There was found a record high amount of meldonium in the test of Krushelnitsky. It reduced almost to 0 on the second test. So it was taken one time right before the first test. Putting meldonium into the list was a controversy in the first place. But according to the Russian medics it only "works" if taken on a regular basis. Therefore one time dosis, no matter how big it is, is nonsensical. Anyway, no one cared to investigate - he lost his (their) medal and was suspended.

No, if we want to play according to the rules, they should be the same to everyone. No appeals, no lawyers. Otherwise, as some poster recently stated we have "some animals who are more equal than the others".
 

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If I remember correctly we had an equestrian athlete test positive for cocaine and he had to sit out a suspension.

They deal with it differently because it is not considered a performance enhancing drug I believe. Usually it is a question of addiction. I don't know how many of you have used cocaine (I have not) but I know a couple of people who have and none of them say it makes your focus or concentration better. It might help you to lose weight but their are better and more effective drugs for that. Adderall being one of the most common. Not everyone who uses Cocaine is an addict. It can be used recreationally (I know that kind of thinking upsets people but it is true). Cocaine is not crack or meth or heroine. You can snort a line or two every once and awhile and not become an addict. It can be used as a party drug like ecstasy.

I would like to point out the obvious here that the most addictive substance in the world is alcohol and there is no test for that and no one is ever banned for it or driven out of competing for being an alcoholic. These tests aren't about the health of the athlete but about if what they are taking is performance enhancing and cocaine rarely is so I don't think we should get on our moral high horse.
 

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If I remember correctly we had an equestrian athlete test positive for cocaine and he had to sit out a suspension.

They deal with it differently because it is not considered a performance enhancing drug I believe. Usually it is a question of addiction. I don't know how many of you have used cocaine (I have not) but I know a couple of people who have and none of them say it makes your focus or concentration better. It might help you to lose weight but their are better and more effective drugs for that. Adderall being one of the most common. Not everyone who uses Cocaine is an addict. It can be used recreationally (I know that kind of thinking upsets people but it is true). Cocaine is not crack or meth or heroine. You can snort a line or two every once and awhile and not become an addict. It can be used as a party drug like ecstasy.

I would like to point out the obvious here that the most addictive substance in the world is alcohol and there is no test for that and no one is ever banned for it or driven out of competing for being an alcoholic. These tests aren't about the health of the athlete but about if what they are taking is performance enhancing and cocaine rarely is so I don't think we should get on our moral high horse.

Crack is cocaine in a different form that usually is smoked. It’s possible that if she did use cocaine, it was crack.
 

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I would like to point out the obvious here that the most addictive substance in the world is alcohol and there is no test for that and no one is ever banned for it or driven out of competing for being an alcoholic. These tests aren't about the health of the athlete but about if what they are taking is performance enhancing and cocaine rarely is so I don't think we should get on our moral high horse.

The Dutch gymnast Yuri Van Gelder was expelled (by the Dutch Olympic Team) during the Rio Olympics for going out drinking one night. Same guy also lost his spot at the 2012 Olympics for testing positive for cocaine.

Athletes who are getting funded by a federation have rules that they are beholden to - just like any other job. If you agreed to those rules when you signed up, then you have to accept the consequences of breaking them.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/sport/van-gelder-expelled-rio-olympics/index.html
 

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The Dutch gymnast Yuri Van Gelder was expelled (by the Dutch Olympic Team) during the Rio Olympics for going out drinking one night. Same guy also lost his spot at the 2012 Olympics for testing positive for cocaine.

Athletes who are getting funded by a federation have rules that they are beholden to - just like any other job. If you agreed to those rules when you signed up, then you have to accept the consequences of breaking them.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/sport/van-gelder-expelled-rio-olympics/index.html

This is the point that I think is most important. If your national and/or international fed bans orange juice, then don’t drink orange juice. The time to say “I need my Vitamin C and I love orange juice” is not after you test positive for OJ. :shrug:

Which is not to say anything about Laurine, I don’t know what happened other than I read in the paper, and I am sad for her :sad21:
 

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Crack is cocaine in a different form that usually is smoked. It’s possible that if she did use cocaine, it was crack.

For her sake, I really really hope not. My ex is a drug addict and crack is a scourge upon this earth.
 

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What I was trying to say is that as far as I know there are very few recreational crack users while there are many recreational cocaine users and there are no WADA restrictions or tests for alcohol consumption. It isn't about health but about performance enhancing. They don't really care about her health.

In the end it might have been a wild night and she might have been unlucky and gotten caught or it might be a habitual thing. We don't know. No one knows. It is up to Laurine to deal with this issue before it effects her and ruins her life.

Maybe I'm overly sympathetic to her. Not every bender makes you an addict. You can use drugs recreational. Some of us might have spent a summer on the road with a band that now seems very, very blurry....
 

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What I was trying to say is that as far as I know there are very few recreational crack users while there are many recreational cocaine users and there are no WADA restrictions or tests for alcohol consumption. It isn't about health but about performance enhancing. They don't really care about her health.

In the end it might have been a wild night and she might have been unlucky and gotten caught or it might be a habitual thing. We don't know. No one knows. It is up to Laurine to deal with this issue before it effects her and ruins her life.

Maybe I'm overly sympathetic to her. Not every bender makes you an addict. You can use drugs recreational. Some of us might have spent a summer on the road with a band that now seems very, very blurry....

I think it is appropriate to ban illegal drugs, whether or not they are performance-enhancing. Cocaine, by the way, is addictive in whatever form. Also, it is a stimulant and can have an effect on heart rate and can even cause a stroke. There have been cases of death from cocaine use.
 

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I think it is appropriate to ban illegal drugs, whether or not they are performance-enhancing. Cocaine, by the way, is addictive in whatever form. Also, it is a stimulant and can have an effect on heart rate and can even cause a stroke. There have been cases of death from cocaine use.
Absolutely. I'm not advocating for the use of cocaine. I'm saying that people can and do use cocaine recreationally without being addicted to it. It's never a good idea and your body was never meant to ingest it. I just don't think that her testing positive means she she is a cocaine addict.

I do think it should be banned. I was pointing out that alcohol is also an addictive substance that ruins lives and yet no one tests for it because it is socially acceptable while most drugs are not.
 

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What I was trying to say is that as far as I know there are very few recreational crack users while there are many recreational cocaine users and there are no WADA restrictions or tests for alcohol consumption. It isn't about health but about performance enhancing. They don't really care about her health.

I think this is mostly true, although some banned products, such as marijuana, are prohibited not due to performance enhancement but rather athlete safety. I guess it's assumed that no athlete would compete while under the influence of alcohol.
 

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I think it is appropriate to ban illegal drugs, whether or not they are performance-enhancing. Cocaine, by the way, is addictive in whatever form. Also, it is a stimulant and can have an effect on heart rate and can even cause a stroke. There have been cases of death from cocaine use.

Case in point: Len Bias. Which I still remember for some reason, even though I’ve never followed basketball. https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/060619_bias
 

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What I was trying to say is that as far as I know there are very few recreational crack users while there are many recreational cocaine users and there are no WADA restrictions or tests for alcohol consumption. It isn't about health but about performance enhancing. They don't really care about her health

The difference between cocaine and alcohol is that 1 is legal and the other is illegal.
 

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Crack is cocaine in a different form that usually is smoked. It’s possible that if she did use cocaine, it was crack.

I was just about to reply with this. Crack is literally cocaine. It's the same drug but the delivery method is different (smoking vs snorting). A urine test would not be able to distinguish between the delivery method (as far as I know), only that cocaine was in her system.

People can be recreational drug users without being addicted. People use coke or heroin recreationally without becoming addicted. They may only use these drugs sporadically but can still experience negative consequences from their use.
 

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The Dutch gymnast Yuri Van Gelder was expelled (by the Dutch Olympic Team) during the Rio Olympics for going out drinking one night. Same guy also lost his spot at the 2012 Olympics for testing positive for cocaine.

Athletes who are getting funded by a federation have rules that they are beholden to - just like any other job. If you agreed to those rules when you signed up, then you have to accept the consequences of breaking them.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/sport/van-gelder-expelled-rio-olympics/index.html

I remember that! And I'm not even a fan of Van Gelder's sport. He had to accept the consequences, and so will Laurine if it's all true. Sadly, I would have loved to see her back. But not anymore. Regrettably.
 

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I remember that! And I'm not even a fan of Van Gelder's sport. He had to accept the consequences, and so will Laurine if it's all true. Sadly, I would have loved to see her back. But not anymore. Regrettably.

Also, I believe Van Gelder had serious and persistent attitude problem, considering himself above the rules and not respecting his team mates, trainers and officials. That's what lead to his expulsion more than the actual offense.

A lot of athletes do sneak out of the Olympic village to have some fun with friends, sleep with their girlfriends/boyfriends etc etc.
 

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this may have been brought up but I beleivethere was a track and field athlete who successfully argued orgot the benefit of the doubt that there was cocaiinhis system because he hired a escort/hookerandhekissedher and that's how the cocaine enteredthe system. He was such a mess though he did very poorly at theolympics wasmy recollection. Like someone said France's skaters are havingsome issues. Laurine though doesn't have as a huge impact as Morgan as there are several female skatersatthe same level roughly
 
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