2020 U.S. Championships: Nationals Predictions Game Round 4

Ladies:

1. Alysa Liu
2. Bradie Tennell
3. Mariah Bell
4. Amber Glen
5. Karen Chen
6. Gracie Gold


Men

1. Nathan Chen
2. Jason Brown
3. Vincent Zhou
4. Timoki Hiwatachi
5. Camden Pulkinen
6. Andrew Torgashev


Pairs:

1. Ashley Cain-Gribble/Timothy Leduc
2. Tarah Kayne/Danny O’Shea
3. Alexa Scimeca-Knierim/Chris Knierim
4. Haven Denny/Brandon Frazier
5. Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson
6. Jessica Pfund/Joshua Santillan



Dance:

1. Madison Chock/Evan Bates
2. Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
3. Kaitlin Hawayak/Jean-Luc Baker
4. Christina Carreira/Anthony Ponomorenko
5. Lorraine McNamara/Quinn Carpenter
6. Caroline Green/Michael Parsons

Ladies
1. Alysa LIU
2. Bradie TENNELL
3. Mariah BELL
4. Amber GLENN
5. Karen CHEN
6. Starr ANDREWS

Men
1. Nathan CHEN
2. Jason BROWN
3. Vincent ZHOU
4. Camden PULKINEN
5. Tomoki HIWATASHI
6. Alexei KRASNOZHON

Pairs
1. Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC
2. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER
3. Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM
4. Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA
5. Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON
6. Audrey LU /Misha MITROFANOV

Dance
1. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
2. Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
3. Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
4. Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
5. Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER
6. Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS

LADIES
1. Mariah Bell
2. Bradie Tennell
3. Alysa Liu
4. Amber Glenn
5. Karen Chen
6. Starr Andrews

MEN
1. Nathan Chen
2. Vincent Zhou
3. Jason Brown
4. Tomoki Hiwatashi
5. Camden Pulkinen
6. Alex Krasnozhon

PAIRS
1. Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier
2. Ashley Cain/Timothy LeDuc
3. Alexa Scimeca/Chris Knierim
4. Tarah Kayne/Danny O'Shea
5. Olivia Serafini/Mervin Tran
6. Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson

ICE DANCE
1. Madison Chock/Evan Bates
2. Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
3. Kaitlin Hawayek/Jean-Luc Baker
4. Lorraine McNamara/Quinn Carpenter
5. Caroline Green/Michael Parsons
6. Livvy Schilling/Alexander Petrov

Ladies:
1 Alysa LIU
2 Bradie TENNELL
3 Mariah BELL
4 Amber GLENN
5 Gabriella IZZO
6 Gracie GOLD

Men:
1 Nathan CHEN
2 Vincent ZHOU
3 Jason BROWN
4 Tomoki HIWATASHI
5 Camden PULKINEN
6 Yaroslav PANIOT

Pairs:
1 Haven DENNEY/Brandon FRAZIER
2 Ashley CAIN/Timothy LEDUC
3 Tarah KAYNE/Danny O'SHEA
4 Jessica CALALANG/Brian JOHNSON
5 Alexa SCIMECA/Chris KNIERIM
6 Audrey LU/Misha MITROFANOV

Dance:
1 Madison CHOCK/Evan BATES
2 Madison HUBBELL/Zachary DONOHUE
3 Kaitlin HAWAYEK/Jean-Luc BAKER
4 Christina CARREIRA/Anthony PONOMARENKO
5 Lorraine MCNAMARA/Quinn CARPENTER
6 Caroline GREEN/Michael PARSONS

Women:
1. Bradie TENNELL
2. Mariah BELL
3. Alysa LIU
4. Amber GLENN
5. Starr ANDREW
6. Hanna HARRELL
7. Karen CHEN

Men:
1. Nathan CHEN
2. Vincent ZHOU
3. Jason BROWN
4. Camden PULKINEN
5. Tomoki HIWATASHI
6. Alexei KRASNOZHON


Pairs:
1. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER
2. Ashley CAIN-GRIBBLE / Timothy LEDUC
3. Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA
4. Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM
5. Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON
6. Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV


Ice Dance:
1. Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
2. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
3. Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
4. Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
5. Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS
6. Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER

natsulian said:

Men
1. Nathan Chen
2. Jason Brown
3. Vincent Zhou
4. Tomoki Hiwatashi
5. Camden Pulkinen
6. Andrew Torgashev

Ladies
1. Alysa Liu
2. Mariah Bell
3. Bradie Tennell
4. Emily Zhang
5. Amber Glenn
6. Starr Andrews

Pairs:
1. Cain-Gribble / LeDuc
2. Denney / Frazier
3. Calalang / Johnson
4. Scimea-Knierim / Knierim
5. Kayne / O’Shea
6. Lu / Mitrofanov

Ice Dance:
1. Chock / Bates
2. Hubbell / Donohue
3. Carreira / Ponomarenko
4. Hawayek / Baker
5. Green / Parsons
6. McNamara / Carpenter

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My new predictions:
1. Nathan Chen
2. Jason Brown
3. Tomoki Hiwatashi
4. Vincent Zhou
5. Camden Pulkinen
6. Andrew Torgashev

Ladies
1. Alysa Liu
2. Mariah Bell
3. Bradie Tennell
4. Amber Glenn
5. Karen Chen
6. Emily Zhang

Pairs:
1. Cain-Gribble / LeDuc
2. Denney / Frazier
3. Scimea-Knierim / Knierim
4. Calalang / Johnson
5. Kayne / O’Shea
6. Lu / Mitrofanov

Ice Dance:
1. Chock / Bates
2. Hubbell / Donohue
3. Carreira / Ponomarenko
4. Hawayek / Baker
5. Green / Parsons
6. McNamara / Carpenter

MEN
1. Nathan Chen
2. Jason Brown
3. Camden Pulkinen
4. Alexei Krasnozhon
5. Tomoki Hiwatashi
6. Vincent Zhou
7. Andrew Torgashev

LADIES
1. Alysa Liu
2. Mariah Bell
3. Bradie Tennell
4. Amber Glenn
5. Karen Chen
6. Gracie Gold
7. Starr Andrews

PAIRS
1. Cain-Gribble / Leduc
2. Knierim / Knierim
3. Denney / Frazier
4. Calalang / Johnson
5. Kayne / O’Shea
6. Lu / Mitrofanov
7. Serafini / Tran

ICE DANCE
1. Chock / Bates
2. Hubbell / Donohue
3. Carreira / Ponomarenko
4. Hawayek / Baker
5. McNamara / Carpenter
6. Green / Parsons
7. Pate / Bye

Men:
1. Nathan CHEN
2. Jason BROWN
3. Vincent ZHOU
4. Camden PULKINEN
5. Tomoki HIWATASHI
6. Alex KRASNOZHON


Ladies:
1. Bradie TENNELL
2. Alysa LIU
3. Mariah BELL
4. Amber GLENN
5. Karen CHEN
6. Starr ANDREWS


Pairs:
1. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER
2. Ashley CAIN-GRIBBLE / Timothy LEDUC
3. Alexa SCIMECA KNIERIM / Chris KNIERIM
4. Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA
5. Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON
6. Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV


Dance:
1. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
2. Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
3. Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
4. Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
5. Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER
6. Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS

My 2020 US National Predictions:

LADIES
1. Alysa LIU
2. Bradie TENNELL
3. Mariah BELL
4. Gracie GOLD
5. Amber GLENN
6. Karen CHEN

MEN
1. Nathan CHEN
2. Vincent ZHOU
3. Jason BROWN
4. Andrew TORGASHEV
5. Alex KRASNOZHON
6. Tomoki HIWATASHI

ICE DANCE
1. Madison CHOCK /Evan BATES
2. Madison HUBBELL /Zachary DONOHUE
3. Christina CARREIRA /Anthony PONOMARENKO
4. Kaitlin HAWAYEK /Jean-Luc BAKER
5. Lorraine MCNAMARA /Quinn CARPENTER
6. Caroline GREEN /Michael PARSONS

PAIRS
1. Haven DENNEY /Brandon FRAZIER
2. Ashley CAIN /Timothy LEDUC
3. Alexa SCIMECA /Chris KNIERIM
4. Jessica CALALANG /Brian JOHNSON
5. Tarah KAYNE /Danny O'SHEA
6. Audrey LU /Misha MITROFANOV

Good luck everyone!

Men
1 Nathan CHEN
2 Jason BROWN
3 Vincent ZHOU
4 Tomoki HIWATASHI
5 Camden PULKINEN
6 Alex KRASNOZHON

Ladies
1 Alysa LIU
2 Mariah BELL
3 Bradie TENNELL
4 Amber GLENN
5 Starr ANDREWS
6 Gracie Gold

Pairs
1 Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC
2 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER
3 Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON
4 Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA
5 Alexa SCIMECA /Chris KNIERIM
6 Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV

Dance
1 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
2 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
3 Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
4 Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
5 Caroline GREEN /Michael PARSONS
6 Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER

This is the other competition that I dread making predictions on, because there are so many skaters that I am not familiar with.

In the Ladies, although Alyssa’s results in the past 3 years have been overwhelmingly wins with a few seconds, on the whole Bradie has been doing better in terms of actual scores. Admittedly, this is probably down to the different requirements between Junior and Senior routines. But still.

The main problem was that there are a lot of skaters who would normally be near the top that have not been performing as well as I would expect recently. Consequently, whereas I would normally have Karen up near the top, she is towards the bottom of my Top 10 this year.

In the Men, it would be a braver man than me than to bet against it being a Chen-Zhou-Brown podium. But, as we saw in the Europeans SP, strange things can happen.

The real decision was over what order to have Hiwatashi, Pulkinen and Krasnozhon in. Tomoki was actually 4[SUP]th[/SUP] on the absolute PB list, but he has been scoring lower than the other two guys this season. Camden had a monster score at Skate Canada, but otherwise has been scoring very similar to Aleksei. So, given that I am a Russophile, I went for Aleksei.

For the rest, I just kept them in absolute PB order. Frankly, hardly anybody has been scoring anything near their PB’s recently. So, they aren’t going to be challenging for the Top 5 positions anyway.

In Pairs, well, given that one of my kids is competing here, I think you all know who I am going to put on top. Everybody’s favourite Austradian from Texas, and her faithful right-hand man Tim.

I have to be honest, I got a surprise when I looked at the absolute PB’s. I thought Scimeca / Knierim would be close to Cain / LeDuc. But they were actually further back, heading a close group with Denny / Frazier and Kayne / O’Shea.

Going into this, I was planning to put Mr & Mrs Knierim into 2[SUP]nd[/SUP], with Denny / Frazier in 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and Kayne / O’Shea in 4[SUP]th[/SUP]. But after seeing the most recent scores for the three partnerships, I put the married couple in the middle.

Calalang / Johnson were always going to be next, largely because I am more familiar with their partnership than I am with any of the other remaining partnerships.

Because I am not that familiar with the rest of the partnerships, I just kept them in absolute PB order. But, there are some individual skaters in there that I would not be surprised to see do well, based on their previous partnerships.

Ice Dance was actually tricky. Not the top 2 spots – I knew I was putting Maddy C and Evan on top (something I don’t think I’ve ever done in any predictions game round before) with Maddy H and Zach in 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. But it was who to put on the podium with them that was the problem.

Normally, I wouldn’t hesitate to put Hawayek and Baker into 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]. But, the younger partnerships have been so impressive this season.

I admit that I have always had a soft spot for Jean-Luc because his parents are successful British skaters. But I have also always had a soft spot Anthony because his parents are successful Russian skaters. And this season, I actually prefer Christina and Anthony. Plus, given Christina’s problems with red tape, I would love her to show 2 fingers to the pen pushers by finishing on the podium in the American Championships.

Given what I wrote in the previous paragraph, I would have felt really guilty if I had put Kaitlin and Jean-Luc any lower. So I put them in 4[SUP]th[/SUP], with the 2 remaining younger partnerships behind them.

The remaining partnerships are all brand new. However, since this Alexander Petrov is British, I made up for my guilt over Jean-Luc by putting Livvy and Sasha as the highest of the new partnerships.

CaroLiza_fan


AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIPS

Ladies

1. Bradie TENNELL
2. Alysa LIU
3. Mariah BELL
4. Emily ZHANG
5. Starr ANDREWS
6. Amber GLENN
7. Karen CHEN
8. Gracie GOLD
9. Gabriella IZZO
10. Courtney HICKS


Men

1. Nathan CHEN
2. Vincent ZHOU
3. Jason BROWN
4. Alex KRASNOZHON
5. Camden PULKINEN
6. Tomoki HIWATASHI
7. Yaroslav PANIOT
8. Sean RABBITT
9. Andrew TORGASHEV
10. Jordan MOELLER


Pairs

1. Ashley CAIN / Timothy LEDUC
2. Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER
3. Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM
4. Tarah KAYNE / Danny O'SHEA
5. Jessica CALALANG / Brian JOHNSON
6. Audrey LU / Misha MITROFANOV
7. Olivia SERAFINI / Mervin TRAN
8. Nica DIGERNESS / Danny NEUDECKER
9. Laiken LOCKLEY / Keenan PROCHNOW
10. Jessica PFUND / Joshua SANTILLAN


Ice Dance

1. Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
2. Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE
3. Christina CARREIRA / Anthony PONOMARENKO
4. Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER
5. Lorraine MCNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER
6. Caroline GREEN / Michael PARSONS
7. Livvy SHILLING / Alexander PETROV
8. Bailey Anne MELTON / Ryan O'DONNELL
9. Eva PATE / Logan BYE

Hello, everyone. Here go the Ice Dance reults. There were 67 participants and we have as many as 23 winners with the maximum score, 12 silver and 13 bronze medalists. The podium looks as follows:



Congratulations to the winners and good luck in the upcoming events!

All the results are already uploaded to the Google spreadsheet that can be found here.

US Nationals – Ladies' results

In Ladies we don't have as many medalists as in Dance, although everybody had Liu, Bell and Tennell on the podium. Two thirds had Liu in 1st (45/67). A good third (25/67) had Bell in 2nd, and about a quarter had Tennell (17/67) in 3rd. 14 got the podium right! Those, who weren't doing so good (myself included) didn't get the podium right and had Zhang and/or Gold in their predictions


Congrats to all the winners!

The results are already copied into the spreadsheet (yesterday, when thread was still closed). Please check, if I've got everything right.

text_skate said:

The results are already copied into the spreadsheet (yesterday, when thread was still closed). Please check, if I've got everything right.

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Sorry about that. I was concentrating on Europeans, and didn't know what time the Men's SP finished at.

Really wish that event organisers would not schedule Short Programmes after the Free Skates have started. It happened in both Greensboro and Graz this week.

In terms of the results, Karen Chen really did it for me. I would normally have put her in third or fourth, but because her scores so far this season haven't been as high as some of the other skaters, I put her outside my Top 5. I should have had more faith.

And if only I had put Amber one place higher!

Oh well. At least I can say that I put the right skaters on the podium. It's just a minor detail that I didn't put any of them in the right position...

CaroLiza_fan

CaroLiza_fan said:

Sorry about that. I was concentrating on Europeans, and didn't know what time the Men's SP finished at.

CaroLiza_fan

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Actually I've put them in early in the morning, way before the mens event even has started. Wasn't a reproach. Just a statement of fact. I fullly understand, that the thread shouldn't be opened before the competition finishes.

It's just a pity that we can't see the time stamps for edits anymore.

CaroLiza_fan said:

In terms of the results, Karen Chen really did it for me. I would normally have put her in third or fourth, but because her scores so far this season haven't been as high as some of the other skaters, I put her outside my Top 5. I should have had more faith.

CaroLiza_fan

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Welcome in the club

CaroLiza_fan said:

Oh well. At least I can say that I put the right skaters on the podium. It's just a minor detail that I didn't put any of them in the right position...

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Maybe it was the price to pay for your 6th sense about the Euros dance results

DenissVFan said:

Maybe it was the price to pay for your 6th sense about the Euros dance results

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There was nothing sixth sense about that. That was just me being a typical stubborn Ulsterman!

CaroLiza_fan

Gold in ladies... yay, Bell!

bronze in dance!

Gold in dance! It's really not that impressive since dance has always been the most predictable discipline, but it was my first time entering a predictions contest so I'm still happy! I'm a little salty about ladies, because I had predicted the top six in that exact order at first before editing my post later. Ugh, ah well, you win some you lose some.