He doesn't need to do the Euler in between the 4toe and 3flip. He can do them in combination. The rules were changed after 2018. Artur D. did a 3ltuz3flip combo a year or two ago. He could do a 4toe 3lutz 3flip combination jump.
That layout OP posted is way too ambitious. He barely skates his current programs cleanly, so a program like that seems unfeasible at least for now. He is completely out of gas already now
Well, there is a second way for Yuzuru to max out his base value with 5 quads, and it's to do a +quad combination. I wonder if he has it in him to do a 3A+4T?
He doesn't need to do the Euler in between the 4toe and 3flip. He can do them in combination. The rules were changed after 2018. Artur D. did a 3ltuz3flip combo a year or two ago. He could do a 4toe 3lutz 3flip combination jump.
He doesn't need to do the Euler in between the 4toe and 3flip. He can do them in combination. The rules were changed after 2018. Artur D. did a 3ltuz3flip combo a year or two ago. He could do a 4toe 3lutz 3flip combination jump.
You must forget everything Yuzuru said, especially that his goal would be to land 4A. Everybody here knows that the one and only Yuzuru's aim is to win over Nathan Chen. What has been proved in 40+ posts now .Yuzuru has, clearly and definitively, said he wants the 4A more than anything (now he has the OGMs which everyone wants).
His current programs haven't been structured properly to ensure maximum stamina for the jumps. He does his footwork sequence earlier than is ideal for the scoring system, so of course he's going to be more tired earlier. He already landed 5 quads cleanly at the GPF (4S was suspect on the rotation but wasn't called), so if he had a program that gave him more breathing room, then of course it's going to be easier to land a difficult layout cleanly.
A more detailed "tactical" breakdown of the ideal competitive program would look like this:
[opening choreography]
4Loop
4Lutz
[skating around not too strenuously to have a "breather"]
3Axel+3Loop
spin
[skating around not too strenuously to have a "breather"]
4S
[skating around not too strenuously to have a "breather"]
4Toe+half loop+3Flip
[skating around not too strenuously to have a "breather"]
3Axel+3Toe
[skating around not too strenuously to have a "breather"]
4Toe
footwork sequence
spin
choreographic sequence
spin
[ending pose]
I mean, that's just not realistic. 3Axel+3Loop for someone with as secure of a 3A as his, is something that could realistically be trained and relied on, when attempted relatively early in the program. +4Toe combos aren't reliable for humans yet, it's really not worth the risk.
There was never any rule against doing a 3Lutz+3Flip combo, it's just ridiculously hard and not really worth it.
4Toe+3Flip is definitely not realistic. And what is this magical 4Toe+3lutz+3flip combo? I applaud you for the satire if that was the intent! :thumbsup:
Hahah! I forgot Yuzuru said all those things!
So dramatic, such a diva he is xD
Omg, those phrases are pretty epic, they belong to a figure skating movie! Netflix should be writing every Yuzuru phrase down if they’re planning to film a new skating show, with dramatic Japanese male protagonist this time hopefully!
Looking at points from GOE it doesn’t make sense to add a 3A+3L when I’m sure most people would agree that he could execute a 3A+3T with more security and quality.
I know you’re talking about an idealized program but this isn’t conducive to a balanced program. Tactically it’s good (I mean an even better tactic would be to move the first spin to the end and make a spin-footwork-spin-choreo-spin sandwich.) but artistically it is not.
His footwork IS ideal for the scoring system because it offers a break in the middle of the program and gives it better structure - which would contribute to better PCS. Whereas any typical judge would dock him for composition and maybe even interpretation and performance if he backloaded his easier elements
I think he could definitely get solid GOE on a combo like that too, if he really trained it (unless there is some quirk of his skating that seriously prevents him from doing +3Loop combo at all). He'd be the only person in the whole world doing 3A+3Lo. Judges are extra generous towards elements that stand out like this, and skaters of his reputation get good GOE on every element they do anyway, so long as they execute it relatively clean.
The guy can do a 4L - so why has he never done a 3A+2L for some easy extra points, instead of a 3A+2T?
I suppose I could create a whole thread as to why it would be more beneficial for Chen to put his 4Z and 4F in the latter half and swap out a 4T with a 4Z to get 2 points more
The fact of the matter is, there are beneficial ideas out there that certain skaters and coaches haven't considered yet.
I think Hanyu needs to work on skating a clean long program before he starts adding in more difficult technical elements.
Is 4A allowed in the SP?