Men's quad count

Cool list, thank you for putting it together.

eppen said:

.... Don't think the list will ever be complete with 100% certainty, but it does give a very good ballpark figure on how many skaters have jumped at least that one good quad. And how many have tried to get it done...

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Agree that it would be impossible to make a list that is 100% complete.

And don't worry, eppen, I do not expect you to make endless updates to your spreadsheet.

For posterity, will just mention here some random additional bits:

I am more than happy to continue until all our enthusiasm is exhausted You guys are awesome at doing research!

I think the biggest changes will come to the tries list - and that is the one which will be the least complete one, because particularly many nationals competition results can be hard to find. Hardly any change in the got it done section, but quite a lot of addition to the tried/trying!

But now there's 222 of them, the online list as usual

Those who have managed to jump at least one quad in an international competition with 0.00 or positive GOE: 153 skaters

Pre-IJS 19: Abt, Barna, Browning, Dinev, Eldregde, Guo Zhengxin, Honda, Klimkin, Kostin, Kulik, Li Yunfei, Liu Anthony, Sabovcik, Stojko, Tamura Yamato, Urmanov, Weiss, Yagudin, Zhang Min

IJS era, retired 66: Aaron, Abbott, Amodio, Balde, Besseghier, Bradley, Bush, Carriere, Chan, Dambier, Dobrin, Dornbush, Farris, Fernández, Firus, Gao Song, Gaschinski, Goebel, Griazev, Grigoriev, Guan Yuhang, Hochstein, Joubert, Kovtun, Kozuka, Lam, Lambiel, Lezin, Li Chenyang, Liebers, Lindemann, Lutai, Lysacek, Ma Xiaodong, Machida, Majorov Alexander, Menshov, Miner, Mroz, Mura, Murakami, Nakaniwa, Oda Nobunari, Pitkeev, Plushenko, Ponsero, Preaubert, Razzano, Reynolds, Righini, Rippon, Rogers, Sandhu, Schultheiss, Sezganov, Shubin, Smith, Song Lun, Song Nan; Streubel, Takahashi, Ten Denis, Van den Perren, Wang Yi, Verner, Versluis

IJS era, current 68: Aliev, Aymoz, Brezina, Bychenko, Cha, Chen, Danielian, Dmitriev, Erokhov, Fentz, Frangipani, Gala, Gogolev, Grassl, Gumennik, Hanyu, Hiwatashi, Ignatov, Jin, Kagiyama, Kerry, Kolyada, Krasnozhon, Kvitelashvili, Lazukin, Litvintsev, Loupolover, Lutfullin, Ma Jimmy, Maysuradze, Messing, Milyukov, Miura, Mozalev, Nadeau, Nguyen, Orzel, Paniot, Peng Zhiming, Phan Joseph, Ponsart, Pulkinen, Rizzo, Sadovsky, Samarin, Samohin, Samoilov, Sato Shun, Satou, Savosin, Selevko, Semenenko, Shimada, Siao Him Fa, Tanaka Keiji, Tesson, Tomono, Torgashev, Uno, Warren, Voronov, Yamamoto, Yan Han, Yee, Yoshioka Nozomu, Zhang He, Zhou Vincent

Successes at nationals only, 7: Gastellu (pre-IJS), Kim Jin Seo, Mattick, Oda Naoki, Sviridenko, Todeschini, Zuber

Those who have attempted but have not succeeded and those who are trying hard, 62 skaters: (as far as has been found out)

Pre IJS 11: Boitano, Chack, Dmitrenko, Eremenko, Fadeyev, Jeannette, Larsson, Robertson, Schmidt, Vidrai, Wagenhoffer

IJS era, retired 30: Borodulin Artem, Borodulin Sergei, Buttle, Chiper, Dolensky, Ferreira, Ge, Gorshkov, Guan Jinlin, Harris, Johnson, Lee Dong-Whun, Mahbanoozadeh, Mccraw, Miyata Dachi, Pavlov, Pfeifer, Rakimgaliev, Reznichenko, Rogozine, Serov, Tarasenko, Ten Jeremy, Tondreau-Alin, Tretiakov, Ulanovsky, Uspenski, Ward, Weir, Zang Wenbo

IJS era, current 21: Belohradsky, Brown, Hayrapetyan, Hino Ryuju, Le May, Lee June Hyoung, Miyake Sena, Moeller, Murashov, Newberry, Petrov Alexander, Rowe, Sahaka, Samsonov, Tamura Ryota, Toman, Tsao Chih-I, Vasiljevs, Virtanen, Vrdoljak, Zlatkov

Keep'em coming!

E

Add to the attempted but not succeeded Graham Newberry and to succeeded but only at nationals Harry Mattick.

eppen said:

I am more than happy to continue until all our enthusiasm is exhausted ...

I think the biggest changes will come to the tries list - and that is the one which will be the least complete one, because particularly many nationals competition results can be hard to find. Hardly any change in the got it done section, but quite a lot of addition to the tried/trying!...

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Thanks, eppen.

DSQ said:

Add to the attempted but not succeeded Graham Newberry and to succeeded but only at nationals Harry Mattick.

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Please, guys ... for everyone's sake, I hope that we will try not to repeat names unnecessarily.

Newberry and Mattick already were on the lists in eppen's post (#63) immediately above -- from many hours ago.

I found (via a Japanese site) another 33 skaters marked "4" for their failed jumps in international competitions.
Many of them were downgraded and/or fell. I am not sure if it should be counted.

retired / current is just a speculation by competitive records from RinkResults

retired 23
Kamil BIALAS (Ice Challenge 2011 SP/FS, NRW Trophy 2011 FS)
Ivan BLAGOV (European Championship 2007 SP)
Maciej CIEPLUCHA (Finlandia Trophy 2013, Warsaw Cup 2013 FS, European Championship 2014 FS)
Yoann DESLOT (AEGON Challenge Cup 2008 FS)
Jong In HAN (Karl Schäfer Memorial 2005 SP/FS)
Yong Min HAN (Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy 2014 FS)
Simon HOCQUAUX (Coupe du Printemps 2016 FS, Winter Universiade 2017 FS)
Sebastian IWASAKI (NRW Trophy 2010 FS)
Tomas JANECKO (Ondrej Nepela Memorial 2006 SP/FS)
Sei KAWAHARA (Nebelhorn Trophy 2016 FS)
Hirokazu KOBAYASHI (Ice Challenge 2009 FS)
Murad KURBANOV (Cup of Nice 2014 SP/FS, Cup of Nice 2015 FS, Ice Star 2016 SP/FS, Cup of Tyrol 2017 SP/FS)
Luiz MANELLA (Nebelhorn Trophy 2013 FS)
Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON (9 attempts from 2012 to 2014)
Martin RAPPE (NRW Trophy 2014 FS)
Christian RAUCHBAUER (World Championship 2007 SP, NRW Trophy 2007 SP/FS)
Mikael REDIN (Finlandia Trophy 2012 FS)
Mark SHAKHMATOV (Cup of Nice 2012 FS, NRW Trophy 2012 SP/FS)
Pavel SHVEYSOV (Ice Star 2015 FS)
Gregor URBAS (Triglav Trophy 2007 FS, Finlandia Trophy 2007 FS, Cup of Russia 2007 FS)
Vasilij VELIKOV (Volvo Open Cup 2013 SP/FS)
Evgenii VLASOV (Ice Star 2016 SP/FS)
Zhixue YANG (Four Continents Championships 2007 SP/FS)

current 10
Mattia DALLA TORRE (Egna Spring Trophy 2019 FS)
Luc ECONOMIDES (Challenge Cup 2019 FS, Finlandia Trophy 2019 FS)
Igor EFIMCHUK (Volvo Open Cup 2016 FS, JGP Minsk 2017 FS)
Nika EGADZE (JGP Salzburg 2017 FS, JGP Zagreb 2017 FS)
Kwang Bom HAN (Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy 2018 SP/FS)
Artem KOVALEV (Volvo Open Cup 2019 SP/FS)
Daniel Albert NAURITS (Finlandia Trophy 2018 SP)
Basar OKTAR (Skate Victoria 2019 FS)
Javier RAYA (Merano Cup 2016 SP/FS, Golden Spin 2016 FS)
Anton SHULEPOV (Cup of Nice 2016 SP, Golden Spin 2016 FS, Ice Star 2017 SP/FS, Internationaux de France 2019 SP/FS)

ice coverage said:

Thanks, eppen.



Please, guys ... for everyone's sake, I hope that we will try not to repeat names unnecessarily.

Newberry and Mattick already were on the lists in eppen's post (#63) immediately above -- from many hours ago.

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That’s odd. I looked and I didn’t see them when I wrote my post.

DSQ said:

That’s odd. I looked and I didn’t see them when I wrote my post.

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The list is being reposted rather than being updated.

kolyadafan2002 said:

The list is being reposted rather than being updated.

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What??
Your post is not fair to eppen. Over the course of the thread, s/he has posted several updated versions of the list.

S/he is not just reposting the same list over and over.

(In the rare cases that someone else has pointed out that a name or two already was in the thread but slipped through the cracks at the time of an earlier version of eppen's big list, then s/he has been sure to add them to the next revision.)

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DSQ said:

That’s odd. I looked and I didn’t see them when I wrote my post.

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Sincerely glad to hear that you did try looking before posting.

All I can say is that before your post #64, Mattick was included in the successful-quads-at-nationals sublists in eppen's posts #29, #42, and #63.

And Newberry's attempt was listed in eppen's post #63.

Emmanuel Savary is on the Google spreadsheet but is not listed on post #63.

ice coverage said:

What??
Your post is not fair to eppen. Over the course of the thread, s/he has posted several updated versions of the list.

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I was literally telling DSQ why s/he didnt notice Graham, as s/he was looking at the first post.
What I said was correct. A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated.
Hence why DSQ missed it...

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ice coverage said:

What??
Your post is not fair to eppen. Over the course of the thread, s/he has posted several updated versions of the list.

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I was literally telling DSQ why s/he didnt notice Graham, as s/he was looking at the first post.
What I said was correct. A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated.
Hence why DSQ missed it...



SORRY guys there were bug and it posted 100 times.

kolyadafan2002 said:

The list is being reposted rather than being updated.

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kolyadafan2002 said:

What do you mean I'm not being fair to eppen?
I'm literally stating this so that DsQ knows why s/he missed it


I was stating why s/he missed it if s/he looked at the first list..... I'm not insulting anybody in any way?

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kolyadafan2002 said:

I was literally telling DSQ why s/he didnt notice Graham, as s/he was looking at the first post.
What I said was correct. A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated.
Hence why DSQ missed it...

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But your original wording -- "The list is being reposted rather than being updated" -- was open to the misinterpretation that I made. Your intended meaning was not obvious.

Only because of your new wording -- "A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated" -- do I now understand, in hindsight, what your intended meaning was.

And based on DSQ's post #67 in response to my reference specifically to eppen's post #63, I do not feel at all sure whether your scenario of looking at only the first list even is the reason why DSQ inadvertently missed Mattick's and Newberry's names.

Anyway ... thank you for the clarification of your intended meaning.

ice coverage said:

But your original wording -- "The list is being reposted rather than being updated" -- was open to the misinterpretation that I made. Your intended meaning was not obvious.

Only because of your new wording -- "A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated" -- do I now understand, in hindsight, what your intended meaning was.

And based on DSQ's post #67 in response to my reference specifically to eppen's post #63, I do not feel at all sure whether your scenario of looking at only the first list even is the reason why DSQ inadvertently missed Mattick's and Newberry's names.

Anyway ... thank you for the clarification of your intended meaning.

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I'm sorry for confusion.
Most people look at OP and don't look through every page of names (because of the way different OP's handle their posting and updates)
I have nothing but respect for Eppen and I think S/he is doing a great job,
thanks,
Again this isn't anybody's fault just misunderstanding and poor vocab choice on my part.

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ice coverage said:

But your original wording -- "The list is being reposted rather than being updated" -- was open to the misinterpretation that I made. Your intended meaning was not obvious.

Only because of your new wording -- "A new list is posted every time rather than first post being updated" -- do I now understand, in hindsight, what your intended meaning was.

And based on DSQ's post #67 in response to my reference specifically to eppen's post #63, I do not feel at all sure whether your scenario of looking at only the first list even is the reason why DSQ inadvertently missed Mattick's and Newberry's names.

Anyway ... thank you for the clarification of your intended meaning.

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I'm sorry for confusion.
Most people look at OP and don't look through every page of names (because of the way different OP's handle their posting and updates)
I have nothing but respect for Eppen and I think S/he is doing a great job,
thanks,
Again this isn't anybody's fault just misunderstanding and poor vocab choice on my part.

From today's Junior Worlds FS, new names of men with unsuccessful quad attempts:

denise3lz said:

I found (via a Japanese site) another 33 skaters marked "4" for their failed jumps in international competitions.
Many of them were downgraded and/or fell. I am not sure if it should be counted.

retired / current is just a speculation by competitive records from RinkResults

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current 10
Mattia DALLA TORRE (Egna Spring Trophy 2019 FS)
Luc ECONOMIDES (Challenge Cup 2019 FS, Finlandia Trophy 2019 FS)
Igor EFIMCHUK (Volvo Open Cup 2016 FS, JGP Minsk 2017 FS)
Nika EGADZE (JGP Salzburg 2017 FS, JGP Zagreb 2017 FS)
Kwang Bom HAN (Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy 2018 SP/FS)
Artem KOVALEV (Volvo Open Cup 2019 SP/FS)
Daniel Albert NAURITS (Finlandia Trophy 2018 SP)
Basar OKTAR (Skate Victoria 2019 FS)
Javier RAYA (Merano Cup 2016 SP/FS, Golden Spin 2016 FS)
Anton SHULEPOV (Cup of Nice 2016 SP, Golden Spin 2016 FS, Ice Star 2017 SP/FS, Internationaux de France 2019 SP/FS)

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Also today at JW, Nika Egadze GEO made another attempt.

denise3lz said:

I found (via a Japanese site) another 33 skaters marked "4" for their failed jumps in international competitions.

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I re-checked it and found 3 skaters were overlooked on post #66.

Kento NAKAMURA (Finlandia Trophy 2013 FS)
Runqi LIU (Winter Universiade 2019 FS)
Peter-James HALLAM (Challenge Cup 2020 SP)

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late pre-IJS attempt by Yosuke TAKEUCHI

Yosuke TAKEUCHI 2001 Skate Canada FS (fell)
Yosuke TAKEUCHI 2001 Japanese Nationals FS (two footed)

Had little time for this last week – tried to get some things done at work before hitting Tallinn and WJC on Friday… Was thinking about quadsters the whole day there because so many names from the list were at the borders as coaches or competing on the ice. Saw those new entries with my own eyes – but unlike Gkelly, will probably forget them soon enough! Finally connected Yamato Tamura as a name to a face and that I will remember, because I have always thought him a bit hot (sorry for the inappropriate comment, but goes to show what and how I remember things!)…

Thank you especially, Denise3lz , for that Japanese site – it is now one of my best friends! I wish I would have known about it already before this project started, it would have saved a lot of time! Trying to find the original protocols is hard work and if someone has already put all the data into some kind of a database, that makes your life easier. Of course, they can contain errors – copying even with a computer is definitely not error proof (I think all the ancient scribes who did this work by hand are feeling slightly amused at this notion, but has to be said). Just in case you have been looking into the various results databases, I thought I’d comment on the three I have been using in this project.

Skating Scores (https://skatingscores.com/): contains mostly only very recent seasons and CS, GP series, championships etc., so you don’t get very far with that. But does have a handy template displaying the elements by type, which saves a bit of time when looking for the jumps.

Rink Results (http://www.rinkresults.com/): a lot of data in this one, nationals, small and big internationals, but some funny omission like no Canadian competitions at all when evert sectional and regional and smaller comp from the US and Japan and even from Russia sometimes are listed. Displays only 3 best elements for skaters, so not very handy for looking for the jumps. Basically, you have to look at each result page per competition which is still slow work.

The Japanese Website (http://fses.sakuraweb.com/index.php): This has also a lot in it, some stuff even which is missing from Rink Results. But no nationals except for Japanese, and no junior internationals apart from JGP. But for this quest it is a superb tool because you can get listings of all/individual/per season/per competition/whatever per jump type. Gives me goosebumbs! They do have some errors in writing names, I noticed, esp. with Russian names (mostly different transliterations into Latin alphabet).

What I did was that I looked up jump type per season and got a listing of who jumped which quad, then checked by skater, checked also data from Rink Results to see if that contained sth missing from the Japanese site. Sometimes looked up ISU protocols, other sources (like national federation databases/result listings), and so on. If a skater had only tries, I also tried to find out whether they had jumped quads in national competitions.

Again, a HUGE thank you for the detective work for each and every one! I went through the thread again and double checked the list also for those. Now the only ones I have not been able verify are 4everchan’s recollections of Edrian Celestino and Matthew Markell – the protocols were online for CQE for the past two years, but neither did quads in competition in the end it seems. But let’s keep those guys in mind for future competitions! I am grateful for pointing out the missing names – more eyes see better than just mine!

I’ll post the current list separately below and give here some fun facts…

The Japanese website had in it about 5866 quads for men between 2003 and 2020 (this was before WJC FS!). By jump they go sth like this:

4T total about 4070 jumps 2003-20, highest number per season 2017-18 is 504, lowest is 68 in 2003-04, of the 268 skaters in the list, 222 have at least tried 4T once, Shoma Uno and Sergei Voronov have tried 113 and 114 times, Aleksei Bychenko and Brian Joubert have both 107 jumps under their belts (Joubert probably a couple of more from his pre-IJS days).

4S total about 1288 jumps 2003-20, highest number per season 2018-19 is 200, lowest is 6 in 2008-09, of the 265 skaters in the list, 101 have at least tried 4S once. Michal Brezina is the only one with over a 100 4S tries, at 109. Kevin Reynolds has 92 attempts (heavily on the attempt side).

4Lo total about 88 jumps 2011-20, becomes a regular starting with the 2015-16 season, highest number per season 2016-17 is 25, lowest number is 2 in 2011-12 and 2015-16, of the 265 skaters in the list, 13 have at least tried 4Lo once. Yuzuru Hanyu leads the tally with 21 tries, Daniel Grassl has 16 (incl. WJC).

4F total about 160 2009-20, becomes a regular starting with the 2015-16 season, highest number per season 2017-18 is 50, lowest number 2009-10 is 1, of the 265 skaters in the list, 12 have at least tried 4F once. Shoma Uno is on top here with 61 tries, Nathan Chen has 40.

4Lz total about 285 2011-20, becomes a regular starting with the 2013-14 season, highest number per season 2017-18 is 86, lowest number 2013-14 and 2014-15 is 3, of the 265 skaters in the list, 22 have at least tried 4Lz once. Boyang Jin tops the list here with 50 tries, Nathan Chen and Vincent Zhou have 35 each, Alexander Samarin 34.

The Top 10 of most attempts per skater

1. Shoma Uno 200 (33 UR or downgrades, really 167 or so)
2. Yuzuru Hanyu 180 (15 UR or downgrades, really 165)
3. Boyang Jin 173 (14 UR or downgrades, really 159)
4. Kevin Reynolds 167 (78 UR or downgrades, really 89)
5. Javier Fernández 162 (3 UR, no downgrades, really 159)
6. Nathan Chen 150 (9 UR or downgrades, really 141)
7. Morisi Kvitelashvili 128 (no UR downgrade data)
8. Daniel Samohin 122 (no UR downgrade data)
9. Brian Joubert 119 (at least, some of his early career jumps were pre-IJS) (no UR downgrade data)
10. Sergei Voronov and Michal Brezina 116 (no UR downgrade data)

Most go for 4T only (146), fewer for only 4S (28). These are also the two most common jumps for those who have tried two (47 skaters) with 12 others doing 2 other jumps. 12 skaters have tried 3 different quads, 7 have tried 4 types (Dmitriev, Hanyu, Jin, Krasnozhon, Samarin, Uno, Zhou), and only 1 has tried 5 (Chen). Most seem to be able to keep 1-2 jumps working, some even 3.

I also wish to apologize to Lysacek, who actually had 4 good 4Ts out of the 15 he tried. Definitely more than that one that was talked about earlier!

Then it was also funny to notice that Larry Loupolover has tried the 4Lz 17 times and he has actually 2 good ones. Which is the exact same number of successful 4Lzs also for Yuzuru Hanyu (only 3 tries) and Mikhail Kolyada (he had 18 tries).

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With the great number of new names in the tries part, there's now 268 of them, the online list here.

No changes really in the first part: upon checking up data, Sezganov dropped to tries list (his 4lz was with negative GOE). Zhang Min I decided to move to the retired list because he was kind of mostly in the IJS era. No new ones from the WJC to this list.

Those who have managed to jump at least one quad in an international competition with 0.00 or positive GOE: 152 skaters

Pre-IJS 18: Abt, Barna, Browning, Dinev, Eldregde, Goebel, Guo Zhengxin, Honda, Klimkin, Kostin, Kulik, Liu Anthony, Sabovcik, Stojko, Tamura Yamato, Urmanov, Weiss, Yagudin

Retired 66: Aaron, Abbott, Amodio, Balde, Besseghier, Bradley, Bush, Carriere, Chan, Dambier, Dobrin, Dornbush, Farris, Fernández, Firus, Gao Song, Gachinski, Griazev, Grigoriev, Guan Yuhang, Hochstein, Joubert, Kovtun, Kozuka, Lam, Lambiel, Lezin, Li Chenyang, Li Yunfei, Liebers, Lindemann, Lutai, Lysacek, Ma Xiaodong, Machida, Majorov Alexander, Menshov, Miner, Mroz, Mura, Murakami, Nakaniwa, Oda Nobunari, Pitkeev, Plushenko, Ponsero, Preaubert, Razzano, Reynolds, Righini, Rippon, Rogers, Sandhu, Schultheiss, Shubin, Smith, Song Lun, Song Nan, Streubel, Takahashi, Ten Denis, Van den Perren, Verner, Versluis, Wang Yi, Zhang Min

Current 68: Aliev, Aymoz, Brezina, Bychenko, Cha Jun Hwan, Chen, Danielian, Dmitriev, Erokhov, Fentz, Frangipani, Gala, Gogolev, Grassl, Gumennik, Hanyu, Hiwatashi, Ignatov, Jin Boyang, Kagiyama, Kerry, Kolyada, Krasnozhon, Kvitelashvili, Lazukin, Litvintsev, Loupolover, Lutfullin, Ma Jimmy, Maysuradze, Messing, Milyukov, Miura Kao, Mozalev, Nadeau, Nguyen Nam, Orzel, Paniot, Peng Zhiming, Phan, Ponsart, Pulkinen, Rizzo, Sadovsky, Samarin, Samohin, Samoilov, Sato Shun, Satou Hiroaki, Savosin, Selevko Aleksandr, Semenenko, Shimada, Siao Him Fa, Tanaka Keiji, Tesson, Tomono Kazuki, Torgashev, Uno Shoma, Voronov, Warren, Yamamoto Sota, Yan Han, Yee Julian Zhi Jie, Yoshioka Nozomu, Zhang He, Zhou Vincent, Zuber

Successes at national level only, 7 skaters: Gastellu (pre-IJS), Kim Jin Seo, Mattick, Oda Naoki, Savary, Sviridenko, Todeschini

Those who have attempted but have not succeeded and those who are trying hard, 109 skaters: (as far as has been found out)

More than 40 new names here! Put Raya in the retired category despite no official announcement, but he has not competed at all this season, just done shows. Decided to have Markell as a placeholder in the current ones (he might be on his way), but did not do the same to Celestino because his jumping does not seem to suggest quads at all. Added Plyuta and Zagorodniuk to the pre-IJS list – they were seen practicing quads at least (and there are some other shady names also on that list).

Pre-IJS 15: Boitano, Check, Cockerell, Dmitrenko, Eremenko, Fadeyev, Jeannette, Larson, Plyuta, Robertson, Schmidt, Takeuchi Yosuke, Vidrai, Wagenhoffer, Zagorodniuk

Retired 59: Bialas, Blagov, Borodulin Artem, Borodulin Sergei, Buttle, Chiper, Cieplucha, Contesti, Davis Shaquille, Deslot, Dolensky, Ferreira, Ge, Gorshkov, Guan Jinlin, Han Jong-in, Han Yong Min, Harris, Hocquaux, Iwasaki Sebastian, Janecko, Johnson, Kawahara Sei, Kobayashi Hirokazu, Kurbanov, Kwang Bom Han, Lee Dong-Whun, Mahbanoozadeh, Manella, McCraw, Miyata Daichi, Nakamura Kento, Parkinson, Pavlov, Pfeifer, Rakimgaliev, Rappe, Rauchbauer, Raya, Redin, Reznichenko, Rogozine, Serov, Sezganov, Shakhmatov, Shveysov, Tarasenko, Ten Jeremy, Tondreau-Alin, Tretiakov, Ulanovsky, Urbas, Uspenski, Velikov, Vlasov, Ward, Weir, Yang Zhixue, Zang Wenbo

Current 35: Belohradsky Matyas, Brown, Dalla Torre, Economides, Efimchuk, Egadze, Hallam, Hayrapetyan, Hino Ryuju, Kovalev, Le May, Lee June Hyoung, Liu Runqi, ?Markell, Miyake Sena, Moeller, Murashov, Naurits, Newberry, Petrov, Ramilison, Rowe, Sahaka, Samsonov, Selevko Mihhail, Shaidorov, Shulepov, Tamura Ryota, Toman, Tsao Chih-I, Vasiljevs, Virtanen, Vrdoljak, Yalblokov, Zlatkov

I hope I managed to get this reasonably correct this time – I can work on this usually only in the evenings and my brain is generally past functioning very well by early afternoon. But today I dedicated some real daytime brain power to this!

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If you start the list for the ladies now, it will be easier to keep up :agree:

Has anyone ever landed a 4-3-3 in international competition besides Plushenko?

I was told by a friend that Plushenko is the only one and will remain the only because 4-3-3s and 3-3-3s are not allowed. That doesn't make any sense because I've seen 4-2-2s and 3-3-2s before. If a skater wants an eight triple layout with a 4-3-3 he or she will need a) more than one quad and b) the ability to do -3Lo combinations. (i.e., 4T+3T+3T, 4S, 3A, 3S/3A+2T, 3Lz+3Lo, 3F. It seems to me that the reason no one does them is because of the Zayak rule or an inability to do so, not because of any rule explicitly forbidding it. Can anyone clarify?

YuBluByMe said:

Has anyone ever landed a 4-3-3 in international competition besides Plushenko?

I was told by a friend that Plushenko is the only one and will remain the only because 4-3-3s and 3-3-3s are not allowed. That doesn't make any sense because I've seen 4-2-2s and 3-3-2s before. If a skater wants an eight triple layout with a 4-3-3 he or she will need a) more than one quad and b) the ability to do -3Lo combinations. (i.e., 4T+3T+3T, 4S, 3A, 3S/3A+2T, 3Lz+3Lo, 3F. It seems to me that the reason no one does them is because of the Zayak rule or an inability to do so, not because of any rule explicitly forbidding it. Can anyone clarify?

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You can, but it's not really worth it. For ladies without a 3A or quad, it'd have to be something like this:

2A, 2A, 3Lz-3T-3Lo, 3Lz-3Lo, 3F-2T, 3S, intentional 2Lz (repeated 3Lz and 3Lo).