2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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A popular argument in GS (and elsewhere) is this: Eteri, as a grown woman (adult), should not trash/bash the teen girl when she leaves. What Eteri has done is classless, ...
So whenever a high profile student left her, if she dared to say anything, she's trashing/bashing the poor teen girl, she's the devil by default.
This 'Eteri vs teen' argument is wrong! When a top skater left her group, she had the right to explain what she knew and how she felt, because she's not talking to the teen at that moment - she's talking to the teen's parents, the other coaches, the federation, the fans (and anti-fans), and the public. Is this a one-side story? Yes, all she's saying is of course "one side". It's not her responsibiity to provide the other side.
Many argued that Eteri should just be quiet. First of all, I, as well as some others, do want to hear from her if possible, because she is one of the main players. As to how she should speak on her own behalf, that's her business.
In my eyes, this is 'Eteri vs the Other side', and the other side includes a lot of adults, and they are not weak at all.
By the way, starlight97's post makes perfect sense here: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...gure-Skating&p=2621026&viewfull=1#post2621026. For convenience, below I quote it:
So whenever a high profile student left her, if she dared to say anything, she's trashing/bashing the poor teen girl, she's the devil by default.
This 'Eteri vs teen' argument is wrong! When a top skater left her group, she had the right to explain what she knew and how she felt, because she's not talking to the teen at that moment - she's talking to the teen's parents, the other coaches, the federation, the fans (and anti-fans), and the public. Is this a one-side story? Yes, all she's saying is of course "one side". It's not her responsibiity to provide the other side.
Many argued that Eteri should just be quiet. First of all, I, as well as some others, do want to hear from her if possible, because she is one of the main players. As to how she should speak on her own behalf, that's her business.
In my eyes, this is 'Eteri vs the Other side', and the other side includes a lot of adults, and they are not weak at all.
By the way, starlight97's post makes perfect sense here: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...gure-Skating&p=2621026&viewfull=1#post2621026. For convenience, below I quote it:
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Perhaps I should clarify that I don't care if Alena is a teen or an adult.
Eteri should act like an adult and say nothing, no matter the age of the skater leaving.
Jason Brown was an adult when he left the coach he had trained with since he was five. Kori Ade was far more "hurt" than Eteri, as she lost her only internationally known student. Kori said nothing. Nothing good, nothing bad. Nothing.
When a skater you care for and have poured all your efforts into leaves you, be like Kori
Eteri should act like an adult and say nothing, no matter the age of the skater leaving.
Jason Brown was an adult when he left the coach he had trained with since he was five. Kori Ade was far more "hurt" than Eteri, as she lost her only internationally known student. Kori said nothing. Nothing good, nothing bad. Nothing.
When a skater you care for and have poured all your efforts into leaves you, be like Kori
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No, not always. That heavily depends on the severity of the 'crime'. Actual real crimes should have consequences after a certain age, even if it's relatively young person.
but this is not the case here, young people might do stupid things, they act irrationally and make mistakes in their lives. They're learning and growing through these mistakes.
In their age we made mistakes too. Even if Aliona behaved inappropriately (which we don't know for sure), adult people should allow her do that mistake without blasting her publicly.
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You are absolutely right! This is exactly why so many people are currently talking about Eteris' repeated bad behavior and saying that she should be held accountable.
What is the problem with that?
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you are absolutely right Eteri should be held accountable for acting like trash.
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I have a question... If the GP happens, what would that mean for Aliona?
I mean, now she has no programs and it doesn't seem like they have figured out which group she should skate with. Will she be ready for senior tests skates? Let alone a potential GP in autumn?
I mean, now she has no programs and it doesn't seem like they have figured out which group she should skate with. Will she be ready for senior tests skates? Let alone a potential GP in autumn?
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Will she be ready for test skates at the level she was at GPF last year? Probably not. There’s about 5 weeks to go. Could she be at the level of test skates last year? Maybe.
Could she be in decent form for Rostelecom, scheduled for November 20-22? Absolutely.
Persistent promoting. Well, I expressed some opinion, then received reaction and even some question to it, so of course I replied. That I don't see as "persistent promoting", that I see as a normal discussion about a thing that is actually very common and usual and so far I didn't read any objection that would make figure skating so special that there couldn't be applied things that work in many other sports. It is also not true that I wouldn't consider the responsibility of the coach to the athlete, why did I talked about "protecting both sides" (and replied some questions in this direction)?
Tough I'm afraid particular people only see what they want to see. Just recently you expressed your very dislike of Eteri, which is of course your right, but if all your posts come not only from this point (incl. claiming that coach is "greedy") but also from the point that anyone who opposes is "only fanatical fan", than I can hardly see any possibility for normal discussion.
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she will have programs ready to go, she just won't be trained by test skates. i'd assume she will skate without a 3A there, unless Rozanov works some magic quickly. the move has put her back quite a bit.
she will be fine by the time she competes in the fall.
On the other hand last year Aliona gained 3A (stable) only after the test skates and has shown them on Finlandia trophy.
ok so with the rule that GP events are limited to host skaters and skaters training in host countries, does that mean that Rostelecom will be RusNats 2.0?
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because I guess they will be trying to fill up the slots with hist country skaters
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because I guess they will be trying to fill up the slots with hist country skaters
I adore that movie
I would say that if it's not about Plushy and his coaching abilities/character, we have in fact pretty common taste
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I would say that if it's not about Plushy and his coaching abilities/character, we have in fact pretty common taste
Yes, I also noticed it :agree:
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The high road is to say nothing.
There is no reason for any trashing/bashing of anyone. What does that accomplish? What does that prove?
There seems to be a world-wide phenomenon these days that whatever happens, everyone must paint themselves as a victim. There is intense competition to show that I am a bigger victim
than anyone else, boo hoo. This containt moaning does not does not reflect well on figure skating as a whole.
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The problem is that all parties end up tarred with the same brush.
Best strategy -- be silent and let others make fools of themselves. "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, and blaming it on you..." (you'll be a man, my son -- Kipling.
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The high road is to say nothing.
There is no reason for any trashing/bashing of anyone. What does that accomplish? What does that prove?
There seems to be a world-wide phenomenon these days that whatever happens, everyone must paint themselves as a victim. There is intense competition to show that I am a bigger victim
Elsewhere to similar argument I said this:
"One thing would be revealing something like what was said the way "Eteri, I have a personal problem and I would like to talk about it in private", that would not be related to general conditions in the team. Disclosing such things would be inappropriate to me, but that's not the case. Again, I'm not suggesting whether it is true or not, but this particular thing for me is not a thing that would deserved to be kept secret if happened, because this is the thing that affects anyone, not just Aliona, it will affect others in the team (it's actually happening already), it affects the whole russian ladies skating. From the perspective of other skaters in the team, "did there happen something that affects me, is there something I should avoid or the other way, did I cause something" etc. And in the case such as this it exceeds the borders of the team, it affects parents who can start to make hasty decisions and many other outcomes. For such case to me it's much better to speak openly than using some empty phrases about "creative disagreements" etc.
And as for the russian ladies skating as a whole, well, this can have very serious impact. I know there are many true fans of Aliona here, but just for a moment let's leve those "I wish Aliona all the best" phrases aside and honestly admit on how thin (and dangerous) ice this shifted. It would be different if that would be usual transfer between established teams during the transfer window, but again, admit this is not the case at all."
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No she won't be ready not like she normally would anyway.
Aliona transferred well after the transferred window closed. I don't know if EG can block her move to plushenko because the transfer window was clearly closed according to the Russian Federation. Sure to many of us Alena is the most beautiful figure skater in years and she had an almost perfect debut season. But because she's so great should she be allowed to avoid the transfer rules if not break them? I don't think so because it would set a bad precedent. What if KV in the middle of the season or after the transfer window next year had a bad competition and only won by Five Points or woke up on the wrong side of the bed or actually lost a competition and wanted to transfer outside of the rules? That would have to be allowed because they will allow aliona to do this in the end. I want to see her skate too. The FED is going to have to bend the transfer rules or come up with a loophole for Alena to get her to skate this season outside of EGs group Her transfer broke the transfer rules from what we know. Eteris frustration and anger makes her look bad and I wish she didn't act that way. There I said it
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They approved Kolyada’s transfer out of the transfer window. He also went to a training camp at Novogorsk, left and then went to Mishin’s camp in July. If they don’t approve it they set a double standard depending on your coach.
They can’t force Aliona to skate with a specific coach, so she will likely nominally represent Sambo 70 while training at the Angels of Plushenko rink. Sambo and Plushenko might negotiate some sort of an agreement so some of her funding goes to Plushenko’s rink to cover programs, costumes, etc. or Plushenko will cover it out of pocket, with sponsors, or in some sort of other arrangement (i.e. barter with Aliona for her to participate in his shows for free, he will cover the cost of training etc. I’m making this up)
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