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Which are the best elements ever of each type?

Baron Vladimir

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I also would throw Osmond into the 3F+3T ring.

The only problem i have with Kaetlyn 3F-3T is that it looks to me a little wild in the air, and i sometimes gasp would she land it safely or not. As i don't feel secure for the jump while i watch it. That's the problem i have with some of the 'bigger' jumps, they are sometimes too big to be controlled perfectly (in the air or on the landing).
 

ruga

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Oct 20, 2017
Double axel
Alena Kostornaia
https://youtu.be/wwLWCLtbsGM (0.35)

Triple Toe-Triple Toe
Gabrielle Daleman
https://youtu.be/4ipGaGQu_ZQ

Triple Salchow
Evgenia Medvedeva
https://youtu.be/xntHGc9S40o (+3T)

Triple Loop
Kaori Sakamoto
https://youtu.be/eRKWq-uabmY

Triple Flip
Yuna Kim
https://youtu.be/1_ejh5D-PmA
Mao Asada
https://youtu.be/HCdK0S_Xu7E

Triple Lutz
Yuna Kim
https://youtu.be/oKqXcM9spkE
Polina Tsurskaya
https://youtu.be/Q7tl_zfGjW4
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
https://youtu.be/huGupjwIuS8

Triple Axel
Midori Ito
https://youtu.be/JublV5cCRBg

Good combinations:
3F-3T Carolina Kostner
https://youtu.be/06wsEZqfbdk

3Lz-3Lo Alexandra Trusova
https://youtu.be/pjuGmFjf6jU

3Lz-3T-(2T) Mako Yamashita
https://youtu.be/7H7DX2um-5k

3F-3T Alena Kostornaia
https://youtu.be/rs03IbmFjGQ (1:21)

Spins
Satoko Miyahara Layback
https://youtu.be/cGJ0GwUHOtg (3:03)
Kamila Valieva Layback
https://youtu.be/dEFhImC5IO8 (3:15)
 

Skatesocs

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4t and 4t-3t : definitely patrick's.... not sure why we see otherwise....

4lutz... i wouldn't pick boyang : he jumps with his head tilted backwards.. i don't like that.

I did not really intend for this to be a thread based off preference. But thank you very much for your list. :) I can see why you prefer Lambiel's spins and Yan's Triple Axel.
 

cohen-esque

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To add some more non-jump elements, I would nominate some of Valieva's spins: FSSp, CCoSp, FCCoSp

And Hanyu"s ChSq from Semei.

And for a jump, Carolina Kostner's 3S (2011, 2012).

I did not really intend for this to be a thread based off preference. But thank you very much for your list. :) I can see why you prefer Lambiel's spins and Yan's Triple Axel.

Eh, there's bound to be some element of personal preference that pops up.
 

kolyadafan2002

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The only problem i have with Kaetlyn 3F-3T is that it looks to me a little wild in the air, and i sometimes gasp would she land it safely or not. As i don't feel secure for the jump while i watch it. That's the problem i have with some of the 'bigger' jumps, they are sometimes too big to be controlled perfectly (in the air or on the landing).

I "get" what you mean. It sometimes happens with Kolyada's 4T, and most definitely with his 4Lz on a bad day.

I feel Kaetlyn's best 3F-3T is one of the best, but her "average" 3F-3T is sometimes chaotic.
 

FayD

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Adding some I haven't seen mentioned much

Quads

Yuzuru Hanyu's 4Loop in 2017 Worlds SP - https://youtu.be/IHY57bGjzB4?t=82 - SE entry and exit, effortless all the way through, probably the best 4Loop we've seen so far

3-3 combos

Rika Kihira 3A3T - https://youtu.be/Io85jm-e4bI?t=59 - Historical combo for ladies and she made it look easy. Her 3A2T and solo 3A are spectacular too.

Polina Tsurskaya 3Lz3T - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exMLRBbGxuE Textbook technique and amazing height, distance and flow.

Tomoe Kawabata 3Lz3T - https://youtu.be/Gi7vzRlGJ5g?t=56 Again, textbook with amazing flow and kneebend on landing
 

sandraskates

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United-States
When I think of wonderful double axels from ladies, these two skaters from the past stick in my mind:

Caryn Kadavy - amazing distance, fearlessness and solid landing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylUfPI2dfZc (0.43)

Elena Vordorezova - for her height and body position; she did not even need to pull her arms in all the way to get the revolutions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHVkIuF3bow (4:53 mark for slow motion)

(Yeah, I'm a dinosaur).
 

4everchan

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I did not really intend for this to be a thread based off preference. But thank you very much for your list. :) I can see why you prefer Lambiel's spins and Yan's Triple Axel.

well... with all the threads opened lately about right or wrong champions and best of... of course there will be personal preferences :) also, i have seen most of these skaters live and it's a very different experience...
 

Alan Geraldy

Rinkside
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Feb 16, 2014
Since most responses have been limited to singles, I will add a few for pairs and dance.
Best twizzles: The Shibutanis
https://youtu.be/70dg8fBUR1s (3:01)
Best 3Tw: Panfilova/Rylov
https://youtu.be/xJ1UFXJr1ow (0:49)
Best Throw 3F: Sui/Han
https://youtu.be/p6cXjzg4gNg (3:22)

Also best throw 3 flip:
Savchenko/Robin Szolkowy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA-9IR8auG8 (1:17)
Stolvoba / Klimov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJefkeaDdE (1:01)
Boikova/Kozlovskii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavVfznvRPU (1:18)


Best throw 3 Loop:
For me is Volosozhar/Trankov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5VvdaC1W8 (1:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwUFWVkgw7Y (3:09)
 

Skatesocs

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well... with all the threads opened lately about right or wrong champions and best of... of course there will be personal preferences :) also, i have seen most of these skaters live and it's a very different experience...

I didn't know Chan's 4T being undebatably the best or you not liking Jin's head position because it was "thrown back" was affected by personal viewing experience :) You must have watched all the 4Ts ever done to get to that conclusion about Chan, too! Personal viewing experience really must affect jump quality somehow.

It really doesn't. Let's not say otherwise.

Anyway, I'm sure a lot have watched skating in events. I don't really see why I should take a personal opinion for granted in this case, nor am I interested in someone's personal experience. Pretty uninteresting. I don't even know any of you. I'm sure it's more of a challenge to put your biases behind, and I'm sure some others would like that challenge. I'm more interested in those.
 

el henry

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I didn't know Chan's 4T being undebatably the best or you not liking Jin's head position because it was "thrown back" was affected by personal viewing experience :) You must have watched all the 4Ts ever done to get to that conclusion about Chan, too! Personal viewing experience really must affect jump quality somehow.

It really doesn't. Let's not say otherwise.

Anyway, I'm sure a lot have watched skating in events. I don't really see why I should take a personal opinion for granted in this case, nor am I interested in someone's personal experience. Pretty uninteresting. I don't even know any of you. I'm sure it's more of a challenge to put your biases behind, and I'm sure some others would like that challenge. I'm more interested in those.

But this is a skating forum for all, and I am very interested in poster's personal opinions, whether or not it comports with my own and whether or not I in my wisdom consider it sufficiently supported.:). If I don't consider it sufficiently supported, I will say so (I hope politely) and discuss.

So I look forward to all sorts of opinions in this thread.:thumbsup:
 

4everchan

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I didn't know Chan's 4T being undebatably the best or you not liking Jin's head position because it was "thrown back" was affected by personal viewing experience :) You must have watched all the 4Ts ever done to get to that conclusion about Chan, too! Personal viewing experience really must affect jump quality somehow.

It really doesn't. Let's not say otherwise.

Anyway, I'm sure a lot have watched skating in events. I don't really see why I should take a personal opinion for granted in this case, nor am I interested in someone's personal experience. Pretty uninteresting. I don't even know any of you. I'm sure it's more of a challenge to put your biases behind, and I'm sure some others would like that challenge. I'm more interested in those.

I didn't give you biased opinions. I gave you my preferences based on what I have seen. I have simply stated that watching an event live allows to see better the flow of the jumps, the height, their distance and their air position. Patrick's 4t-3t has all these qualities. I am not saying he is the best jumper ever, far from there, but that Combo is his trademark and it's very impressive to watch live. I am not sure what the rest of your post is about so I will just stick to that.
 

Osmond4gold

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Jan 27, 2013
Seeing a skater live is so different than by TV or technology. You don't see the power, speed or height, the distance covered and ice coverage. I was sitting next to Jeff Buttle and the WeaPo's when Kaetlyn had a jumping pass in our corner. All had a jaw dropping experience. Absolutely spell bounding!
 

Osmond4gold

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I "get" what you mean. It sometimes happens with Kolyada's 4T, and most definitely with his 4Lz on a bad day.

I feel Kaetlyn's best 3F-3T is one of the best, but her "average" 3F-3T is sometimes chaotic.

The same can be said for any skater. kolyadafan. When a skater becomes the measure or the best in class, we tend to think of their finest moments rather than average moments, don't you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyPhVCp8f3M
 

Imagine

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Feb 22, 2014
Alena has the best 3A, and therefore the best 2A by default...

But I personally love Shizuka's 2A performed in Torino...

It's the small details in that program that really get me. Even if everyone else considers it to be one of the most boring Olympic performances ever, I disagree.
 

kolyadafan2002

Fan of Kolyada
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The same can be said for any skater. kolyadafan. When a skater becomes the measure or the best in class, we tend to think of their finest moments rather than average moments, don't you think?

I dont know why my post randomly got deleted (I may have accidentally done it), but I follow your same reasoning- hence why Kaetlyns jump soon my favourite 3F+3T list.
I also understand why some people disagree - but if you look at Boyangs Average 4Lz, it's much better than most 4Lz.


Back to Patrick Chan:
His 4T is amazing, but that does not make it undebatably the best. There is a debate to be had - Hanyu has better steps into it, Kolyada does it higher, javi makes it more effortless. It is one of the best 4T for sure, but not undebatably the best. Under personal preference, I dont consider it "the best"
 

Osmond4gold

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The only problem i have with Kaetlyn 3F-3T is that it looks to me a little wild in the air, and i sometimes gasp would she land it safely or not. As i don't feel secure for the jump while i watch it. That's the problem i have with some of the 'bigger' jumps, they are sometimes too big to be controlled perfectly (in the air or on the landing).

So you have said previously Baron Vladimir and we may have to disagree on this one. I thought it Caro's nemesis the last few years of competing this pass. Not sure if Caro ever received an 11.50 as KO had in ISU competitions but I have not looked back at every comp.

Maybe both could be considered the standard as overall they excelled in this combo and both left their mark in the sport.
 
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