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Which are the best elements ever of each type?

Baron Vladimir

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I don't see it as one of the best even if her edge was correct. She doesn't get high enough on it and she isn't all the way around in the air, not even considering how she does a half-turn on the takeoff with the toepick, instead of vaulting into the air straight back from the toepick. She does have the arm position, but so did Brian Boitano, and he jumped higher and didn't cheat his rotation at all.

She doesnt get it if you compare it with Caro or Liza lutz with nothing before and after the jump happening.. Zhenya jump in this case is not just the simple jump in the air, it is something + jump + something, all of that is one jumping element. Im not trying to defend the judges, im just saying it is a different element as a whole to be judged the same way Caro jump is judged, and ISU thinks how that way is also the valuable one, obviously... And they have very logical reason for that, which i can explain but i got some other posters who are sending me the private messages all the time i need to deal with :cool14:
 

Blades of Passion

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She doesn't do anything directly before the jump. Unless someone is doing a truly connected entrance, then it's rather irrelevant to judging the quality of the jump itself. Her exit isn't anything special either. The standard is holding your landing edge and free leg out. There's very few things better than that, as that shows excellent control. She drops her free leg to do a slow, shallow spread eagle position. That isn't better technically, I would say it's worse actually. It's fine to not hold every single landing out in the same way, there can be choreographic variance, but random transitions like that don't show technical superiority on a jump.
 

macy

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how could i forget Lucinda Ruh? man she was incredible.

i'd like to watch a spin off between her and Alissa Czisny. i think she'd have the edge, but just for funsies.
 

Baron Vladimir

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Spins (in recent history):
Men
Best Combination Spin - Stephane Lambiel - for example FP EC 2008 or SP EC 2010 (Roman Sadovsky or Shoma Uno if you want something more recently)
Best Change Foot Spin - Jason Brown - for example SP 4CC 2020
Best Flying Spin - Deniss Vasiljevs - his sit position is super cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CJB7Eq3oY
Ladies
Best Combination Spin - Kamila Valieva WJC 2020 or Julia Lipnitskaya WC 2014
Best Layback Spin - Alisa Lozko JGP 2016 or Caroline Zhang 4CC 2012
Best Flying Spin - Adelina Sotnikova 2014 - her camel position is super cool
These are the highest scored senior ladies spins from last season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss_3secVE_c
These videos are also a very good representation of what very good spins are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfon0b13Wtg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNCyPQa1IzA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwZD2TL2kk
 

yume

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Pairs:
Best twist: S/M every time. T/M 2016 gpf sp

Best throw 3S: S/H 3S at 2019 worlds in the FS. I thought that free leg would never touch the ice again.
Best throw 3lo: Panfilova/Rylov. Youth olympics FS. Looks like a quad. V/T in Jesus superstar at SC.
Best SBS solo jump: Yamaguchi/Galindo 3F.
Best three jumps combo: Stolbova/Klimov 2015 gpf.
Death spiral: I don't like it.
Best lift: James/Ciprès when Ciprès bend his knee.
Spins. Not especially pretty in pairs.
Spirals: Pang/Tong 2010 olympic fs.
 

SXTN

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Now, with the ladies (i won't discuss quads, because only two senior ladies jump them). So, triple-triple combos:
1. best 3Lz-3T - Yuna Kim WC 2010 LP
2. best 3F-3T - Evgenia Medvedeva WTT 2017
3. best 3S-3T - Evgenia Medvedeva WTT 2017
4. best 3T-3T - Gabby Daleman WC 2018
5. best 3x-3Lo - Alina Zagitova JO
Best 3A goes to Alena Kostornia. Best triple jump for me is Alina Zagitova 3F in SP at Olympics.
:rofl::laugh2:

Have you ever seen Evgenia's 3F+3T in slow mo?

- full blade assist
- hammer toe
- muscled
- 270 degrees prerotation on 3T
- ...
- ...
 

kolyadafan2002

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Of the skaters that I have seen in person

Best 3A/3Toe........Todd Eldredge

Best Lutz........Plushy

Best Skater.......Patrick Chan
If it were only skaters I've seen in person:

Best 3A: Evgeni Plushenko,
Best 4T: Javier fernandez,
Best 4S: Florent Amodio,

Best skater - There were a mix of older 6.0 skaters and newer skaters so I think it's impossible to compare between the older generation of Plushenko and newer generation of Fernandez.
 

Skatesocs

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Best spiral sequence: https://youtu.be/Q5Ia1Zc1TJI?t=160

Best 3Lz+3T: https://youtu.be/AJenywCRf8M?t=59

Top 10 Triple Lutzes (discussed on a different thread, but since this is revived...):
1. Tonya Harding
2. Julia Sebestyen
3. Yuna Kim
4. Midori Ito
5. Tatiana Malinina
6. Karen Chen
7. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
8. Miki Ando
9. Viktoria Volchkova
10. Mako Yamashita


Step seq: This https://youtu.be/GFj8eYxFvGM
3:14.
And this shows how components are badly judged. This program deserved way more than 52 pcs.
I probably *would* give that +5. Gosh.

I've been watching some women's step sequences and footwork, and a preliminary list would be something like (not in order):
1. Yuka Sato 1994 Worlds LP
2. Michelle Kwan 2003 Worlds LP
3. Mao Asada 2008 GPF SP
4. Carolina Kostner 2011 Worlds LP
5. Mao Asada 2014 Worlds SP
 
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Baron Vladimir

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:rofl::laugh2:

Have you ever seen Evgenia's 3F+3T in slow mo?

- full blade assist
- hammer toe
- muscled
- 270 degrees prerotation on 3T
- ...
- ...
Jumps are judged in real time. Slow mo is used only when 'mistake' is spotted in real time. When you see 'muscled', i see controlled and secure. She could always add another 3T at the end of the combo if the rules allow that. In majority of other 3F-3T combos (by Caro, Kaetlyn, Kaori for example) i'm on the edge if skater will land it safely or not.
 
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kolyadafan2002

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Jumps are judged in real time. Slow mo is used only when 'mistake' is spotted in real time.
I don't necessarily see her pre-rotation or full blade assist in real time, but I see it is heavily muscled and I see the hammer toe (Although in older videos I don't see the hammer toe - I don't think she had it in juniors as badly) .

I sometimes see pre-rotation, but Medvedeva enters her jumps from big speed so I don't notice it as much. I don't think it looks nice, but until I use slow motion there aren't massive technical issues.
 
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