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Wagner's pain not limited to Olympic years
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Poor Ashley. 5 concussions, torn quadriceps, boyfriend breaking up with her just before Worlds ...
I'm really amazing that she had a torn quad when she won her World silver medal, and landing every jump was painful.
:luv17: but the last quote is classic Ashley. I love how she sets a clear goal, and she's taking concrete steps to achieve it. No "I'm just skating for fun and I only want to do my best hehehe" from Diva Wagner.
I'm really amazing that she had a torn quad when she won her World silver medal, and landing every jump was painful.
:luv17: but the last quote is classic Ashley. I love how she sets a clear goal, and she's taking concrete steps to achieve it. No "I'm just skating for fun and I only want to do my best hehehe" from Diva Wagner.
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“The only reason why I signed on for four more years in the sport is because I think I’m capable of getting an individual medal,”
Anything is possible. Ashley has so far been the luckiest skater ever, clinging on to medals for simply being the last one standing (and sometimes not standing.) This gives her a bit of delusion. If you take out all but three skaters for the top countries she is still ranked about 12th or so this season. And she is not the only one who is hungry.
Ashley is a competitor but not a high scorer. I believe she has reached the peak of where she can go compared with who has surpassed her, score wise. Her highest score ever was 215.39 (late in the season) and she has not shown that form in a year and a half. Five skaters have surpassed that score already early in the season. File me under Ashley's beloved naysayers.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2017-18/sbtslto.htm
Anything is possible. Ashley has so far been the luckiest skater ever, clinging on to medals for simply being the last one standing (and sometimes not standing.) This gives her a bit of delusion. If you take out all but three skaters for the top countries she is still ranked about 12th or so this season. And she is not the only one who is hungry.
Ashley is a competitor but not a high scorer. I believe she has reached the peak of where she can go compared with who has surpassed her, score wise. Her highest score ever was 215.39 (late in the season) and she has not shown that form in a year and a half. Five skaters have surpassed that score already early in the season. File me under Ashley's beloved naysayers.
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2017-18/sbtslto.htm
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The thing is, anything really can happen at the Olympics. There will be medal favorites who falter. Ashley won't win gold, but I don't think there will be as much lobbying for Alina and Polina T (if that's the team) because not only are they from the same country as Evgenia, they share the same coach. So I think Russia is all in behind Evgenia. Ashley has problems with under rotations, but so does Mirai and she was able to rotate everything except her 3A in her most recent LP. Unlike Mirai, Ashley will get great PCS marks if she executes technically. I think to have any chance at an individual medal, Ashley has to win Nationals so she gets the full support of the USFSA going into the Olympics.
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I feel like articles like this are apology articles for skaters when there is a probability they will implode amidst massive expectations. 
They ARE more strict, and USFSA is realizing that it has made a mistake of hyping up Ashley in the past several Nationals (especially in 2014) only to have her not deliver.
They ARE more strict, and USFSA is realizing that it has made a mistake of hyping up Ashley in the past several Nationals (especially in 2014) only to have her not deliver.
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Lol this is what interviews for athletes are for. Talking about their competitive history and how they plan to improve.
FYI for many, many people, verbalizing something, putting it into speech and telling it to others, is itself a part of making something real.
I don't think Ashley will win an individual Olympic medal. But if she doesn't believe that she can, or if she starts telling people that she doesn't think she can, then that means she DEFINITELY won't win anything.
Y'all calling her delusional are harsh. She's not a young up-and-comer whose turned themselves into a bit of an underdog (like, say, Marin Honda) or a has-been (like, say, Alena Leonova) - in either case, it would be perfectly reasonable for them to say "my goal is to place top 6" or "my goal is to place top 10."
She won WSM less than two years ago. Do we really WANT a skater in her position to set her sights lower than an individual medal, or, even better, to start making it known that she is setting her sights lower than an individual medal??
Funny thing is that in the lead-up to Boston, it was known that Wagner had that hard fall in the show and talk among gossip circles was that she wasn’t back to 100% because of it. In fact, it came to a head during Worlds practices where Wagner tweeted out “I’m injury free!” to dispel reports that she was practicing light and not jumping. Anyway, I certainly couldn’t really tell anything was off watching her practice. So CLEARLY she didn’t want word getting out. 
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I won’t knock her for stating her ambitions for Korea, even if I personally think it’s a *very* long shot (at this point). Better than the hackneyed “I want to skate my best” soundbytes anyway.
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I won’t knock her for stating her ambitions for Korea, even if I personally think it’s a *very* long shot (at this point). Better than the hackneyed “I want to skate my best” soundbytes anyway.
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I just hope she can finally skate free. This is likely her last year and she should go all out in even if her tech cannot win a medal with the Russian and Japanese teens there and Kaetlyn. first step is her is proving she can win a fourth
US title. At this point if Ashley just said I will skate my heart out and let go of expectations it could happen. Her errors are always nerve related. This year there is no Gracie Gold nor Polina likely. Chen I think is her only real competition for gold. Mirai -who knows. But Bell is so inconsistent and there is now amazing newcomer to worry about. It’s likely some combo of Ashley Mirai and Karen. Ashley puts great pressure on herself. If only she would just let go of results and skate freely like in 2016 then medals can happen. Her demons are her self doubt and if she is healthy she needs to attack every element like it is her last skate ever. I hope she can let herself be free.
US title. At this point if Ashley just said I will skate my heart out and let go of expectations it could happen. Her errors are always nerve related. This year there is no Gracie Gold nor Polina likely. Chen I think is her only real competition for gold. Mirai -who knows. But Bell is so inconsistent and there is now amazing newcomer to worry about. It’s likely some combo of Ashley Mirai and Karen. Ashley puts great pressure on herself. If only she would just let go of results and skate freely like in 2016 then medals can happen. Her demons are her self doubt and if she is healthy she needs to attack every element like it is her last skate ever. I hope she can let herself be free.
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Y'all are so damn harsh on Ashley! Reading this board over the years you would get the impression that she can barely do a spin, skates slower then a three year old, and has rotated two jumps in all of her skating career:noshake: If all the other girls were held to the same underrotation standard Ashley is...she might not be the absolute best in the field but she can hold her own against the best in the world and has many times over. It just never seems to be enough for some people. I mean the fact that she is even in contention for a second Olympic team at 26 years old...she is resilient as HELL and I believe if she can fully rotate jumps and keep her nerves at bay she is absolutely capable of getting an individual medal.
I agree that Ashley's chances for an Oly medal seem slim and that her personal best score is not enough these days. But I do believe that the inflation in scores this season has surpassed the actual improvement in content. Look at NHK where Evgenia got a 144+ with a fall and a very ugly lutz-kind of ridiculous. So perhaps if Ashley skates well
her score will also be inflated.Actually that was the title of the article but she was not quoted as saying that
That's not really a mark at how incredible she is but how poor the competition pool is in the US. She's gonna need to perform absolutely flawless and she needs others to mess up in order for her to podium at Olympics.
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Sorry....I have to say something ....as much as I give Wagner credit for sticking it out all these years, the "diva factor" rises to the top when she needs to build herself up. Do we really think she has the goods to go up against the top Russian ladies ( or Kostner....who, yes, still needs to up the ante technically, but choreographically, her programs are stunning this season) I don't care that Wagner talks about old injuries. The Olympics are about bringing it to the ice. IF she is going to go for a medal this year, then put it out there. No excuses ...old or new. The skating HAS to speak for itself. Technically and choreographically. This is a competition. Not a coronation.
She is well aware of this. It's not her fault that the reporter chose to ask her questions about previous world championships and then focused his article on the obstacles. She spoke nothing of her problems at 2016 and 17 worlds until reporters asked her about them months later. She is aware of her shortcomings and is working hard to overcome them. Truth is, right now the US has no one better.
Has she publicly called herself a diva or did that come from TSL? I could have missed it, but I have not heard her refer to herself as a diva.
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