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2018 Olympic Season: Men's Figure Skating

MaiKatze said:
Clearly there are rules, rules that are for selection of the athletes. Rules that make sense, rules that are there because they are needed to decide fairly, who gets to go. I think we all agree on that point. But stubbornly holding onto these rules is not logical, when the reality is that there are no better men than Hanyu and Uno in Japan. Standing wise they are the top two men in the WORLD. No one comes NEAR them. And since there are three spots (yes, I'm a broken record) one of the second tier skater gets their ticket anyway. They can count themselves lucky for that. No need to take two other men to the Olympics who will be pressed to crack Top 20. If the japanese fed does that they are insane. It'll never happen.
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Is there any country that can choose by ignoring selection criteria?
I remember the example of Michelle Kwan in 2006.
In Japan, I think it is difficult to make a selection that ignores such selection criteria.
There are cases where discussions have been held over representatives such as marathons and swimming in the past. Ignoring the selection criteria, you will be sued for Court of Arbitration for Sport.

The Japanese Olympic selection criteria this time is much more gradual.
It was impossible for a competitor who does not participate in the National to be chosen. For that reason, gold medalist arakawa of the world championship and takahashi of the pre-Olympic gold medalist also went to the national despite injuries.
Even though it was a world gold medalist, it was necessary to follow the selection criteria.

I am concerned about the selection criteria of each country. Is there any possibility that leading competitors from other countries will not be chosen?
Can Chan and Nathan surely become Olympic representatives?
 
I think the topic of Japan's team selection has been covered thoroughly and all scenarios, no matter how unlikely, have been discussed barring a zombie apocalypse. :p
How about we turn to other aspects of the men's division going into the Olympics, for example:

Since Boyang is no longer going to the GPF and Jason is in, how might this affect his Olympic chances and/or change the chances for the other US men?
What about the Russian Olympic team? So far, Voronov and Kolyada are looking very strong, could there be a spoiler-- or are they a lock?
Any other guys to look out for or unexpected results this season you want to discuss?
 
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About Boyan it will be a wise decision.
It is a chance for Jason.
The battle for the representation of the United States becomes intense, too.
 
Interspectator said:
Since Boyang is no longer going to the GPF and Jason is in, how might this affect his Olympic chances and/or change the chances for the other US men?
What about the Russian Olympic team? So far, Voronov and Kolyada are looking very strong, could there be a spoiler-- or are they a lock?
Any other guys to look out for or unexpected results this season you want to discuss?
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Well, the odds have gone from "practically impossible" to "guaranteed" that someone from outside last season's big six will medal at the GPF. Between Jason, Adam, Kolyada, & Voronov--someone is getting a Grand Prix Final medal during the Olympic Season. Since all four of those guys are in a real fight at home, a medal here may be enough to get them onto an Olympic team. I don't think a GPF berth will do it, but a medal very well might.

Of course, if Max, Vincent, Samarin, Aliev, etc. were all here, they might be able to pass said list of four and grab their own shot. But they aren't.

Such is the GPF.
 
Interspectator said:
I think the topic of Japan's team selection has been covered thoroughly and all scenarios, no matter how unlikely, have been discussed barring a zombie apocalypse. :p
How about we turn to other aspects of the men's division going into the Olympics, for example:

Since Boyang is no longer going to the GPF and Jason is in, how might this affect his Olympic chances and/or change the chances for the other US men?
What about the Russian Olympic team? So far, Voronov and Kolyada are looking very strong, could there be a spoiler-- or are they a lock?
Any other guys to look out for or unexpected results this season you want to discuss?
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Boyang is out? :(
 
Here's a look at a few interesting data for the Men so far this season:

BEST ELEMENTS OF THE 2017-2018 SEASON (SENIORS)
Lists elements with the highest score and the highest GOE
Note: Also has Ladies and Pairs. If anyone who understands Ice Dance wants to add them in, it's free to edit.

2017-2018 SEASON AVERAGE SCORES, GOE, PCS, ETC
Averages of the season so far (GOE, Scores, PCS, TES and BV), from ISU-sanctioned competitions. Includes men from the GPF and others.
Note: Patrick's scores can't really be averaged since he's only had one sanctioned competition so far. :(

Sources: Rink Results | Skating Scores

Please let me know if you spot any mistakes.
 
xeyra said:
Here's a look at a few interesting data for the Men so far this season:

BEST ELEMENTS OF THE 2017-2018 SEASON (SENIORS)
Lists elements with the highest score and the highest GOE
Note: Also has Ladies and Pairs. If anyone who understands Ice Dance wants to add them in, it's free to edit.

2017-2018 SEASON AVERAGE SCORES, GOE, PCS, ETC
Averages of the season so far (GOE, Scores, PCS, TES and BV), from ISU-sanctioned competitions. Includes men from the GPF and others.
Note: Patrick's scores can't really be averaged since he's only had one sanctioned competition so far. :(

Sources: Rink Results | Skating Scores

Please let me know if you spot any mistakes.
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GOE depends on the type of mistake.
Competitor with a lot of POP has little influence on GOE, and has a big influence on BV.
The result of combining them is TES.

TOTAL AVG BV
TOTAL AVG TES
TOTAL AVG PCS

You can see the situation with these.
 
Interspectator said:
I think the topic of Japan's team selection has been covered thoroughly and all scenarios, no matter how unlikely, have been discussed barring a zombie apocalypse. :p
How about we turn to other aspects of the men's division going into the Olympics, for example:

Since Boyang is no longer going to the GPF and Jason is in, how might this affect his Olympic chances and/or change the chances for the other US men?
What about the Russian Olympic team? So far, Voronov and Kolyada are looking very strong, could there be a spoiler-- or are they a lock?
Any other guys to look out for or unexpected results this season you want to discuss?
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I think Alexander Samarin could be a spoiler for the Russian men, although I'd much rather see Sergei Voronov and Mikhail Kolyada. I enjoy both of their styles of skating, even though they're very different. And Voronov is also a sentimental favorite. :luv17:
 
2017-2018

TOTAL AVG BV
148.37 ： Shoma UNO
142.30 ： Vincent ZHOU
138.20 ： Nathan CHEN
137.21 ： Boyang JIN
131.62 ： Max AARON
128.89 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
126.60 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
124.29 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
123.91 ： Nam NGUYEN
123.20 ： Yuzuru HANYU
122.74 ： Sergei VORONOV
120.42 ： Alexander SAMARIN
119.95 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
119.12 ： Dmitri ALIEV
118.87 ： Kazuki TOMONO
118.10 ： Adam RIPPON
118.07 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
115.93 ： Brendan KERRY
113.81 ： Han YAN
113.12 ： Liam FIRUS
111.16 ： Misha GE
111.00 ： Matteo RIZZO
110.51 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
110.01 ： Keegan MESSING
109.61 ： Jun Hwan CHA
108.26 ： Jason BROWN
107.46 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE
107.45 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
107.44 ： Jorik HENDRICKX
106.93 ： Nicolas NADEAU
106.24 ： Kevin AYMOZ
105.90 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
105.54 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
104.88 ： Keiji TANAKA
104.67 ： Paul FENTZ
102.31 ： Michal BREZINA
102.07 ： Alexander MAJOROV
101.91 ： Romain PONSART
101.28 ： Denis TEN
101.26 ： Deniss VASILJEVS
100.82 ： Peter LIEBERS
99.84 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI
99.51 ： Patrick CHAN
98.85 ： Ross MINER
97.91 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
95.40 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
93.62 ： Sean RABBITT
89.11 ： Takahito MURA

TOTAL AVG GOE
17.79 ： Yuzuru HANYU
15.55 ： Misha GE
14.64 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
13.85 ： Jorik HENDRICKX
13.16 ： Shoma UNO
13.09 ： Jason BROWN
12.69 ： Adam RIPPON
12.24 ： Nathan CHEN
11.18 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
9.94 ： Deniss VASILJEVS
9.91 ： Patrick CHAN
9.38 ： Sergei VORONOV
8.84 ： Han YAN
8.26 ： Ross MINER
8.12 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
7.31 ： Matteo RIZZO
6.07 ： Keiji TANAKA
4.94 ： Keegan MESSING
4.64 ： Sean RABBITT
4.60 ： Max AARON
4.54 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
4.38 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
4.26 ： Alexander MAJOROV
3.81 ： Michal BREZINA
3.55 ： Alexander SAMARIN
3.52 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE
3.45 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
2.73 ： Peter LIEBERS
2.14 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
1.70 ： Nicolas NADEAU
1.27 ： Takahito MURA
1.15 ： Kevin AYMOZ
0.67 ： Nam NGUYEN
0.13 ： Romain PONSART
-0.22 ： Boyang JIN
-0.64 ： Liam FIRUS
-1.88 ： Brendan KERRY
-1.96 ： Dmitri ALIEV
-2.22 ： Kazuki TOMONO
-2.63 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
-2.89 ： Paul FENTZ
-3.69 ： Denis TEN
-3.97 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
-5.07 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
-5.69 ： Jun Hwan CHA
-6.53 ： Vincent ZHOU
-7.41 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
-10.20 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI
 
2017-2018

TOTAL AVG TES

161.53 ： Shoma UNO
150.43 ： Nathan CHEN
140.99 ： Yuzuru HANYU
137.01 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
136.99 ： Boyang JIN
136.22 ： Max AARON
135.77 ： Vincent ZHOU
134.60 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
132.12 ： Sergei VORONOV
130.79 ： Adam RIPPON
130.06 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
129.25 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
126.71 ： Misha GE
124.58 ： Nam NGUYEN
123.97 ： Alexander SAMARIN
122.65 ： Han YAN
121.35 ： Jason BROWN
121.29 ： Jorik HENDRICKX
120.33 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
118.30 ： Matteo RIZZO
117.16 ： Dmitri ALIEV
116.65 ： Kazuki TOMONO
114.96 ： Keegan MESSING
114.05 ： Brendan KERRY
112.48 ： Liam FIRUS
111.99 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
111.20 ： Deniss VASILJEVS
110.98 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE
110.95 ： Keiji TANAKA
109.42 ： Patrick CHAN
108.63 ： Nicolas NADEAU
107.39 ： Kevin AYMOZ
107.11 ： Ross MINER
106.33 ： Alexander MAJOROV
106.12 ： Michal BREZINA
105.43 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
103.92 ： Jun Hwan CHA
103.55 ： Peter LIEBERS
102.91 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
102.29 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
101.78 ： Paul FENTZ
101.32 ： Romain PONSART
98.49 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
98.26 ： Sean RABBITT
97.59 ： Denis TEN
97.59 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
90.38 ： Takahito MURA
89.64 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI


TOTAL AVG PCS

139.52 ： Yuzuru HANYU
138.35 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
137.56 ： Shoma UNO
137.28 ： Patrick CHAN
135.64 ： Jason BROWN
131.80 ： Nathan CHEN
128.99 ： Adam RIPPON
127.68 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
126.57 ： Misha GE
125.55 ： Han YAN
124.22 ： Denis TEN
122.12 ： Sergei VORONOV
121.05 ： Jorik HENDRICKX
120.66 ： Keegan MESSING
120.51 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
119.88 ： Deniss VASILJEVS
119.09 ： Liam FIRUS
118.71 ： Boyang JIN
117.89 ： Dmitri ALIEV
117.66 ： Ross MINER
116.93 ： Max AARON
116.83 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
116.57 ： Michal BREZINA
116.31 ： Alexander SAMARIN
114.65 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
114.65 ： Peter LIEBERS
113.73 ： Keiji TANAKA
113.04 ： Kevin AYMOZ
112.97 ： Kazuki TOMONO
112.95 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI
112.44 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
111.22 ： Takahito MURA
111.07 ： Nicolas NADEAU
110.40 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
109.81 ： Nam NGUYEN
109.52 ： Vincent ZHOU
108.48 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
107.64 ： Romain PONSART
107.40 ： Jun Hwan CHA
107.20 ： Sean RABBITT
107.15 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
106.85 ： Matteo RIZZO
106.61 ： Paul FENTZ
105.56 ： Brendan KERRY
104.62 ： Alexander MAJOROV
103.31 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
102.06 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
100.67 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE
 
TOTAL AVG deduction　1 Competition AVG

3.00 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
2.67 ： Denis TEN
2.50 ： Keiji TANAKA
2.33 ： Vincent ZHOU
2.33 ： Dmitri ALIEV
2.00 ： Liam FIRUS
2.00 ： Nicolas NADEAU
2.00 ： Timothy DOLENSKY
2.00 ： Grant HOCHSTEIN
2.00 ： Romain PONSART
2.00 ： Daisuke MURAKAMI
1.67 ： Keegan MESSING
1.67 ： Nam NGUYEN
1.50 ： Moris KVITELASHVILI
1.50 ： Paul FENTZ
1.50 ： Michal BREZINA
1.33 ： Jason BROWN
1.33 ： Boyang JIN
1.33 ： Kevin REYNOLDS
1.33 ： Alexander SAMARIN
1.33 ： Yaroslav PANIOT
1.33 ： Andrei LAZUKIN
1.00 ： Shoma UNO
1.00 ： Yuzuru HANYU
1.00 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
1.00 ： Patrick CHAN
1.00 ： Brendan KERRY
1.00 ： Chafik BESSEGHIER
1.00 ： Kazuki TOMONO
1.00 ： Peter LIEBERS
1.00 ： Jun Hwan CHA
1.00 ： Alexander MAJOROV
1.00 ： Sean RABBITT
0.67 ： Nathan CHEN
0.67 ： Han YAN
0.67 ： Deniss VASILJEVS
0.50 ： Sergei VORONOV
0.33 ： Adam RIPPON
0.33 ： Max AARON
0.33 ： Ross MINER
0.00 ： Misha GE
0.00 ： Alexei BYCHENKO
0.00 ： Takahito MURA
0.00 ： Jorik HENDRICKX
0.00 ： Matteo RIZZO
0.00 ： Alexei KRASNOZHON
0.00 ： Kevin AYMOZ
0.00 ： Julian Zhi Jie YEE

according to xeyra's data

TOTAL AVG UR/DG　1 Competition AVG

2.67 ： Vincent ZHOU
2.00 ： Boyang JIN
1.67 ： Jason BROWN
1.00 ： Yuzuru HANYU
1.00 ： Shoma UNO
1.00 ： Adam RIPPON
0.33 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
0.33 ： Nathan CHEN
0.00 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
0.00 ： Patrick CHAN
0.00 ： Sergei VORONOV

TOTAL AVG CALL(e、!）　1 Competition AVG

0.50 ： Yuzuru HANYU
0.33 ： Jason BROWN
0.33 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
0.00 ： Vincent ZHOU
0.00 ： Boyang JIN
0.00 ： Shoma UNO
0.00 ： Adam RIPPON
0.00 ： Nathan CHEN
0.00 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
0.00 ： Patrick CHAN
0.00 ： Sergei VORONOV

TOTAL AVG POP　1 Competition AVG

2.50 ： Yuzuru HANYU
1.33 ： Javier FERNANDEZ
1.33 ： Nathan CHEN
1.00 ： Vincent ZHOU
0.50 ： Mikhail KOLYADA
0.33 ： Boyang JIN
0.00 ： Jason BROWN
0.00 ： Shoma UNO
0.00 ： Adam RIPPON
0.00 ： Patrick CHAN
0.00 ： Sergei VORONOV
 
I think this question should probably go here, I need some help from fans of the Russian men at GPF:

Since coming back to skating, I have discovered and enjoyed Japanese fan art. One of Jason's Japanese fan clubs (he has two on Twitter) tweeted this art for the men's GPF:

https://twitter.com/skaterter05/status/937304960206716928

OK, Jason and the Russian split and his (in)famous onigiri hat: I get it.

Adam with a diva moment on the mic and a diamond right next to him. I get it.

Nathan playing guitar in a polar bear onesie. I get it.

Shoma chewing on a huge something wing with veggie plushies. I get it.

I don't know enough to get the other two, and this artist is so clever, I would like to know the backstory.

The text is handwritten on the poster and Bing translate of the tweet itself makes no sense. I understand no written Japanese other than the characters for "Jason" and "Jason Kun":biggrin:
 
el henry said:
I think this question should probably go here, I need some help from fans of the Russian men at GPF:

Since coming back to skating, I have discovered and enjoyed Japanese fan art. One of Jason's Japanese fan clubs (he has two on Twitter) tweeted this art for the men's GPF:

https://twitter.com/skaterter05/status/937304960206716928

OK, Jason and the Russian split and his (in)famous onigiri hat: I get it.

Adam with a diva moment on the mic and a diamond right next to him. I get it.

Nathan playing guitar in a polar bear onesie. I get it.

Shoma chewing on a huge something wing with veggie plushies. I get it.

I don't know enough to get the other two, and this artist is so clever, I would like to know the backstory.

The text is handwritten on the poster and Bing translate of the tweet itself makes no sense. I understand no written Japanese other than the characters for "Jason" and "Jason Kun":biggrin:
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Wow that is really cool. Very talented! I knew right away the person in the bottom right is Sergei, but can't figure out what the question marks mean. Is it a reference to his Muse LP from last season? And by process of elimination, the other one has to be Mikhail, of course. But I can't figure out what anything around him is at all.

Now I'm curious, too!
 
el henry said:
I think this question should probably go here, I need some help from fans of the Russian men at GPF:

Since coming back to skating, I have discovered and enjoyed Japanese fan art. One of Jason's Japanese fan clubs (he has two on Twitter) tweeted this art for the men's GPF:

https://twitter.com/skaterter05/status/937304960206716928

OK, Jason and the Russian split and his (in)famous onigiri hat: I get it.

Adam with a diva moment on the mic and a diamond right next to him. I get it.

Nathan playing guitar in a polar bear onesie. I get it.

Shoma chewing on a huge something wing with veggie plushies. I get it.

I don't know enough to get the other two, and this artist is so clever, I would like to know the backstory.

The text is handwritten on the poster and Bing translate of the tweet itself makes no sense. I understand no written Japanese other than the characters for "Jason" and "Jason Kun":biggrin:
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Mikhail is the one on the bottom middle, and the drawing references his Baba Yaga EX.
 
The text of the tweet is instructions on how to print out the pic as a poster at a Japanese convenience store.

The text on the left side of the poster translates to something like, "A Crush of Characters, Grand Prix Final 2017".

The handwriting next to each skater is their name/nickname.

Shoma says, "Kalbi (Korean BBQ ribs), please."
 
xeyra said:
Mikhail is the one on the bottom middle, and the drawing references his Baba Yaga EX.
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sheetz said:
The text of the tweet is instructions on how to print out the pic as a poster at a Japanese convenience store.

The text on the left side of the poster translates to something like, "A Crush of Characters, Grand Prix Final 2017".

The handwriting next to each skater is their name/nickname.

Shoma says, "Kalbi (Korean BBQ ribs), please."
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Thanks for all the info - and for elhenry for sharing the image. Does anyone know if the question marks next to Sergei are in reference to his Muse program? Something else?
 
Weathergal said:
Thanks for all the info - and for elhenry for sharing the image. Does anyone know if the question marks next to Sergei are in reference to his Muse program? Something else?
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Yes, now that the connection between Mikhail and Baba Yaga was pointed out, I am curious about Sergei too. Interesting that for two of them, the illustrator used personal, “non program” related associations (Nathan and Jason), exhibition associations for two (Adam and Mikhail) and a combo (if you consider plushies program related) for Shoma. Poor Sergei, who knows?:)
 
el henry said:
I think this question should probably go here, I need some help from fans of the Russian men at GPF:

Since coming back to skating, I have discovered and enjoyed Japanese fan art. One of Jason's Japanese fan clubs (he has two on Twitter) tweeted this art for the men's GPF:

https://twitter.com/skaterter05/status/937304960206716928

......
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Since I originally posted here, I thought this was worth noting: Jason has now retweeted this fanart, with an enlargement of the section illustrating him:

OMG! It's me!!! ぼくでーす! (camera emoji): @skaterter05 (絵を描いてもらってありがとう！とっても大好き！） (and various emojis, including onigiri:biggrin: always so cool to see Jason practicing his Japanese)

Sorry for the dreaded double post, but it's not really an "edit" of the previous one. If anyone sees another skater doing this, please add:)
 
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