I'm looking forward to seeing it too!what I am looking forward to seeing and I will this Saturday is the new Muse program.
Bruno here says that 90% of it is brand new... they just felt that the music was fitting them so well.... but the program is new...
Totally agree!To me, the most interesting detail Bruno offered wasn't that the choreography of their Muse program is different.
It's that mentally, that music gets Meagan and Eric back to a place where they feel they can win again.
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This is so relevant to the discussions about Ashley and possibly many others who've been so viciously criticized for reprising a program or music.
At your service!Lol nimi I read your post without looking at who wrote it but as soon as I saw Barthes I thought it was probably you
I'm looking forward to seeing it too!
As far as the program being "new" or not... I guess that depends on what exactly we mean when we say "the program is new"...
I think Marcotte said that 90% of the choreo is new. I think that means that the program construction and element placement of Muse 2.0 could turn out to be very similar to (or even identical with) Muse 1.0. After all, 'choreo' in skating lingo often seems to refer to bits that are outside the actual elements (which often stay largely the same from season to season and take up a big chunk of the program time, especially in pairs). I don't expect their lifts and spins to look radically new and different, either -- although I'd love to be surprised! -- but I do expect new and improved entries and exits and transitions, i.e. actual new 'choreo'. (On instagram, they already shared that cool spread eagle entry into 4STh.)
So, if it turns out they use exactly the same music cut as before with the "old" elements in their old places but they have largely rechoreographed the entries, exits and transitions, is that a "new" program or "old"? I'd say it's both... but it's almost like a tricky philosophical question! (I just happen to be reading Maggie Nelson's Argonauts and in the opening pages the narrator makes a reference to a Roland Barthes passage "in which Barthes describes how the subject who utters the phrase 'I love you' is like 'the Argonaut renewing his ship during its voyage without changing its name.'")
To me, the most interesting detail Bruno offered wasn't that the choreography of their Muse program is different.
It's that mentally, that music gets Meagan and Eric back to a place where they feel they can win again.
Ted brought up the criticism that Sale / Pelletier got for returning to "Love Story" for the Olympics. And Bruno said, "I know a lot of people say that about Dave and Jamie, but as far as I'm concerned ... they won the Olympics with that program!" Great point! Ted and Bruno nod and laugh. Bruno went on to say that he thinks they did so well with Love Story for the same reason ... that it got them to a place where they felt they could win again.
This is so relevant to the discussions about Ashley and possibly many others who've been so viciously criticized for reprising a program or music. I'll say again, I think it's a brave choice. Skaters know they'll be criticized by the likes of some on this forum. So it's both brave of D/R, and understandable ... even eloquent ... from an emotional place.
As far as the program being "new" or not... I guess that depends on what exactly we mean when we say "the program is new"...
I think Marcotte said that 90% of the choreo is new. I think that means that the program construction and element placement of Muse 2.0 could turn out to be very similar to (or even identical with) Muse 1.0.
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So, if it turns out they use exactly the same music cut as before with the "old" elements in their old places but they have largely rechoreographed the entries, exits and transitions, is that a "new" program or "old"? I'd say it's both... but it's almost like a tricky philosophical question! (I just happen to be reading Maggie Nelson's Argonauts and in the opening pages the narrator makes a reference to a Roland Barthes passage "in which Barthes describes how the subject who utters the phrase 'I love you' is like 'the Argonaut renewing his ship during its voyage without changing its name.'")
Are you sure?! I believe forum rules mandate that...we don't need to talk about moulin rouge in every single thread
sure but let's not turn things around... D/R were one of the first teams announcing they were skating an old program here... and got their share of the flack... if you don't mind, I'd prefer we leave the Ashleys, Yuzus, Alinas and Shomas out of this thread for once.. there is a thread dedicated to that specific topic of repeating programs... we don't need to talk about moulin rouge in every single thread I saw this with humour, I hope you take it like that
To me, the most interesting detail Bruno offered wasn't that the choreography of their Muse program is different.
It's that mentally, that music gets Meagan and Eric back to a place where they feel they can win again.
( ...)
I'll say again, I think it's a brave choice. Skaters know they'll be criticized by the likes of some on this forum. So it's both brave of D/R, and understandable ... even eloquent ... from an emotional place.