He didn't fall on his butt, why keep complaining about something that didn't even happen?
that was mant as sarcastic remark
So you really think Chan deserved the same GOE as Hanyu on the 3A? No matter that Hanyu actually had a very difficult entry into that 3A (easily the most difficult one you'll see those days) and good height/distance, good flowing edge coming out and transitions afterwards? And btw, 2 bullet points for GOE =/= +2GOE.
see a man doesn't have to have a quad to win; nor does a lady HAVE to have a 3/3.
And if we are talking GOE points for Chan's 3A:
4) good height and distance
5) creative exit
6) good flow from entry to exit
7) effortless throughout
8) element matched musical structure
Even if you want to be a hater and say the jump didn't have good height and distance, he still makes 4 bullet points which is +2 GOE.
not as good as Yuzuru's to merit 2+ above GOE
who has difficult entry and jump comes out of nowhere of preparation
No, not at the early season events when most everyone is very rusty, but for the Olympics and Worlds, yes, I think the skaters need to go for all their planned content; it's too risky not to. The Catch-22 is that the skaters need to have the more difficult elements in their programs at the early season competitions, so they can feel more practiced and more comfortable attempting them at the later/major competitions.
No, not at the early season events when most everyone is very rusty, but for the Olympics and Worlds, yes, I think the skaters need to go for all their planned content; it's too risky not to. The Catch-22 is that the skaters need to have the more difficult elements in their programs at the early season competitions, so they can feel more practiced and more comfortable attempting them at the later/major competitions.
And if we are talking GOE points for Chan's 3A:
4) good height and distance
5) creative exit
6) good flow from entry to exit
7) effortless throughout
8) element matched musical structure
Even if you want to be a hater and say the jump didn't have good height and distance, he still makes 4 bullet points which is +2 GOE.
GOE is treated as an absolute, not a relative.
I heard SkateFiguring calling my name, I thought, and whispering me to answer it! Time for me to go to bed. Good night, everyone!
It's all relative (as Ashley Wagner tweeted to know-it-all Phil Hersh). With his initial tweet that Ashley needs to worry about her skating simply because Gracie performed well so far at SC, Hersh shows he favors Gracie when she's going good. He's just as liable to dump on Gracie too. OTOH, those who love Patrick will always defend his scores, and those who do not enjoy his skating or who have been turned off by his many wins with mistakes will always look for, mayhap even root for major flaws in his programs, fruitlessly since the judges see what they want to see when they watch Patrick.
Obviously ISU judges favor Patrick Chan when he's good, bad, mediocre with superb SS and so-so artistry, or whether he hits quads or not, or whether he falls or somewhat falls once or twice or 3 times or whether he makes mistakes on other jumps or not. Because Chan mastered quads so beautifully and relatively quickly and he has mucho skating skills and that's all that matters apparently -- they know Patrick can generally do quads well when he does them. The ISU judges a long time ago put all their marbles on Patrick, and they refuse to blink. They're going to stay on his ship all the way to Sochi. They won't give up the ship, even if it hits an iceberg.
I don't hate Patrick Chan. I hate the mockery the sport becomes when they continually put one skater on a pedestal despite whether or not he consistently delivers clean exciting programs.
I would score Chan's PCS as 9.0 skating skills, 8.75 transitions, 8.5 performance, 8.25 choreography, 8.0 interpretation.
Would give him +1 GOE on the Triple Axel. He barely got the rotation. No transition leading into it. Really didn't deserve +2 from the whole panel. He was a little overscored on the flying sit (the last position is weak) and the combo spin.
Overall, he was given an extra 4 points from what a I feel an accurate score would be. That makes a big difference. It gives him a whole extra fall in the Long Program.
Chan was the only guy without a visible error tonight whereas the field pretty much all bombed. A casual skating fan wouldn't even notice Chan made an error in his combo, given how many in this thread were asking whether it was 4-3 or 3-3.
Farris should not have tried to jump the single toe to make a combination after the quad (? or triple toe), but done a combo later in the program with the 3 Lutz. A more experienced skater would have done that.