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And Harding did a triple ax/ double toe loop
Did she ever land that in competition? I can't recall.
And Harding did a triple ax/ double toe loop
Hm that's funny, the Olympic medalists were also all absent from the next GPF too.I can see where you're coming from but I don't think Ashley is really that far ahead of Elizaveta in terms of presentation. I don't think Ashley is far ahead in terms of PE and I don't even think she's ahead choreographically with this program. I'd say Ashley is much higher on SS but that and IN are the only ones where she was definitively better than Liza. I do agree about this insane PCS inflation considering only some seem to be benefiting from it. (How Julia got more PCS with that than Satoko from her SC FS I'll never understand).
Also I just realised something, if it hasn't been stated previously, the last two post-Olympic GPFs have been won by skaters who had a disappointing Olympic season having failed to qualify despite being the defending champion.
I can't speak for zamboni step but it sounds like what he/she said translates to something like this: much higher on SS & IN = around 0.7 per category so maybe 2 points total after 1.6x factoring, PE up to 0.3 = > 0.5 after factoring, the other categories the same, which still adds up to 2.5 PCS advantage total for the FS.I am not sure what you mean she is not that far ahead? Not even by 0.1 - 0.3 points per category? ie/ 1 point overall?
Julia is still climbing down from her crazy OGM inflation from Sochi. If she don't deliver, it will (should anyway) continue to decline. Though depends on how she get on at Russia Nationals, they may try to boost her to Sochi levels again @ European Championship to secure podium finish for the big one like last year = TOTAL JOKE! Although it is safe to say, they needn't worry this year. My estimate 2 Russian podium finisher = 90% guaranteed. US has 26% chance for a podium finish, this odds may improve depends on Gracie's recovery.
Japan's current seniors look like a dead end to me in terms of World title chances pre-Pyeongchang. They all have technique issues (both real and imaginary) that are punished severely in BV and GOE, and even if I like them and they're pleasant to watch, they lack Miki and Mao's immense talent that was manifest from age 13. Peak Mao (2007-08, 2013-14) and peak Miki (anytime she could land her 3-3 and 2011 4CC) had TES ceilings well in the 70s while Kanako and Satoko pretty much topped out this year at 4CC with 68/69. Kanako is inconsistent and doesn't even seem to like competition that much - I think she said she wanted to retire after Sochi but feels like it's her job to keep competing to keep Japan's spots. As for Satoko, I do like her but the points she loses on jumps can't be ignored. Though I did find it quite funny when Blades of Passion said that Satoko is currently the best skater in the world if jumps are completely neglected. There's always the chance that both will be late bloomers like Arakawa or Suzuki but that could take years (and Arakawa had a big, unquestionably clean 3Lutz, which Kanako will not have at any point in the foreseeable future). Most likely the younger Japanese like Honda et al. will have more potential.Satoko is still upcoming and a big question mark for me. Personally I still prefer Kanako at this point. Give it a few years of growth spurts and more varied programs I may change my mind. Her Miss Saigon is one of the better choreographed program this season but physically (performance sport wise) she is just not quite there yet. The only thing I will put her FS over Kanako's FS PCS is in choreography.
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In any case, it seems the judges are unsure too about how they should place Satoko with Kanako internationally, so both may be cancelling each other's PCS bonuses. I don't think JSF is sure themselves? Although I suspect, JSF may be more willing to put their weight behind Satoko due to her longer mileage and potential. Japanese Nationals should be interesting especially with Rika gaining momentum out of no where. Actually the fact Japan have even more stronger men than ladies, in particularly Hanyu who's like to be on the podium 80% of the time with crazy tech, this will hardly benefit their ladies. Not when Russia has been starved for Gold for a decade since Irina, and the fact Mao just won her Gold last year in Japan. I'd totally shocked if any Japanese lady ends up on the WC podium this year. Nicely surprised, but totally shocked.
Yes, in the Skate America short program in 1991.Did she ever land that in competition? I can't recall.
Yulia's jumps are no way similar to Elena's, in all honesty. Not because I'm her fan, besides I like Elena a lot, but when Yulia hits the jumps are effortless and easy, light.
They might not be big, but there is no stiffness there. She has a good running edge, no hesitation, no preparation, good body position.
Let's just say I believe Elena's jumps will have a better time surviving growth. I feel Elena's issues with the jumps (mostly just jerky landings) are smaller and probably easier to fix than Julia's problems. Julia's jump technique is pretty non conventional, from the flutz to the 2nd toe takeoff in her 3-3's. Also, why doesn't Julia attempt a 3flip-3toe? Her flip is much better than her flutz.
Julia's been called on 3F(e) in the past. In 2012 she had calls on her flip and Lutz at different competitions. It looks like she goes from outside to near-flat on both jumps. The Eurosport commentators at the GPF were unsure about both jumps too.Yet she had all her flutz rectified this GPF and it is her Flips that had been hit with an e. Bizarre... still covering up for Sochi? ISU technical caller were quite generous this competition. If Ashley is the only contender from US, i expect this trend will continue at WC.
Re: CarneAsda, what do you think of Wakaba Higuchi's chances for 2018?
Let's just say I believe Elena's jumps will have a better time surviving growth. I feel Elena's issues with the jumps (mostly just jerky landings) are smaller and probably easier to fix than Julia's problems. Julia's jump technique is pretty non conventional, from the flutz to the 2nd toe takeoff in her 3-3's. Also, why doesn't Julia attempt a 3flip-3toe? Her flip is much better than her flutz.
It's hardly honesty, I'd more call it venting a grudge against Russian skaters for the sins of past judging panels. In what world do Caroline Zhang's hammer-toed, perpetually underrotated, very clear inside edge flip and flutz merit a comparison to Lipnitskaya's? I don't like the hunched-over look of Lipnitskaya's 3-3s, nor do I find her flip or Lutz incredibily attractive (and it's true the edge is not great whether she actually flutzes or lips), but they are nothing like Zhang's. The proof of that is in the way Zhang failed to make a single World team in a country that didn't produce any medal winners those years while Lipnitskiy here has made the GPF 3 years in a row in addition to winning team Olympic gold and World silver.^^ I like your honesty
It's hardly honesty, I'd more call it venting a grudge against Russian skaters for the sins of past judging panels. In what world do Caroline Zhang's hammer-toed, perpetually underrotated, very clear inside edge flip and flutz merit a comparison to Lipnitskaya's? I don't like the hunched-over look of Lipnitskaya's 3-3s, nor do I find her flip or Lutz incredibily attractive (and it's true the edge is not great whether she actually flutzes or lips), but they are nothing like Zhang's. The proof of that is in the way Zhang failed to make a single World team in a country that didn't produce any medal winners those years while Lipnitskiy here has made the GPF 3 years in a row in addition to winning team Olympic gold and World silver.
You must have forgotten how Caroline Zhang's classic mule kick flips look. Here's a refresher. And another. Or are you comparing with her flip from when she had it fixed with Oppegard? It did look a lot better at 2012 4CC, but then she did the same old mule kick on her Lutz 20 seconds later.Well the difference between Zhang and Lip is that the latter actually lands the jumps. As did Caroline before she hit puberty. Granted, Caroline's swing is worse, but the idea is the same. And why is it only Russian skaters if I am calling out an American skater on it, too? I frankly will call out any technique which I find to be flawed no matter what nationality it is.
This is a VERY good description of it. She is using her upper body to generate the rotational force to get the jump rotated, NOT the technique of the blade/feet/knees.Julia jumps with "arms" according to Jenny of TSL
This is a VERY good description of it. She is using her upper body to generate the rotational force to get the jump rotated, NOT the technique of the blade/feet/knees.
You are indeed biased, just not biased towards SoYoun...Not everyone has to use one particular technique to get scores on jumps. There is no one way. People with great technique still have issues. So Youn has a great technique but she has a weird hitch or lunge before her lutz. She carries a long set up into the lutz which compounds the issue because your waiting waiting waiting and then the jerk happens at take off. That said when she lands it, it is a beautiful jump because she has good centering and carries a smooth transition out. She is one of my favorite skaters to watch now so maybe there is some bias to speak of but simply put. She has good jumps she just has a speed issue at takeoff on the lutz. Does this make her not watchable?
The point is..there isn't one correct way to jump even though I keep seeing the phrase perfect jump technique which simply does not exist. If you rotate it full and attack at least two or three of the eight bullets you should be rewarded. The judges can't look at Yulia's jumps and say..that's some crazy arm technique and ignore her other attributes in the jump. Now if she keeps falling they will simply be left with no other choice but to dock her points
You say you're not biased against the Russians, yet in the JGPF thread, you said Wakaba Higuchi (and implied, So Youn Park) has a more polished technique than Elizaveta Tuktamysheva? I liked what I saw from Wakaba, I can even understand preferring her to Evgenia or Serafima... but she's thirteen, still unproven on the senior stage, and her technique hasn't gone through the test of puberty/injuries/everything Liza had to overcome. Where on earth are you pulling these conclusions from?Well the difference between Zhang and Lip is that the latter actually lands the jumps. As did Caroline before she hit puberty. Granted, Caroline's swing is worse, but the idea is the same. And why is it only Russian skaters if I am calling out an American skater on it, too? I frankly will call out any technique which I find to be flawed no matter what nationality it is.