2014 NHK Trophy Mens Free Skate 11/29
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Generally I like to support older skaters and I think people have the right to retire when they want, but I think Jeremy definitely peaked several years ago and there is nothing about his skating that would attract me now as a new fan. Putting the lack of tech content aside, the dreary music, his costumes that look like he picked them out of the laundry hamper, and the scrubby facial hair are all major turnoffs. When he looks like he just rolled out of bed a few minutes before the competition, it only adds to the impression that he does not have the mentality of a winner.
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His ISU best short was in 2012 and his best Long and best total was Worlds 2014.
The costumes are a matter of taste. I much prefer his simple costumes- they seem designed to show line and motion in a modern way. I prefer this to the garish costumes men and ladies so often have. I think the garish costumes disguise line , distract from most programs, and drive away new fans. At least in the US, the costumes for both men and ladies are made fun of, and make the public think skating is a spectacle, not a sport.
I'd wish everyone skated in plain black costumes -but that's just me
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If he stays in til Nationals, I hope he re-gains a quad or two, and brings the spin and step levels up.
On a positive note, his PCS is up this year and he looks much calmer and more secure and in control while skating.
I don't think he'll make the World Team again....he'll be held down.
On a positive note, his PCS is up this year and he looks much calmer and more secure and in control while skating.
I don't think he'll make the World Team again....he'll be held down.
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I think if you take Jeremy's free skate on its own and not think too much about the result of said skate, a few things stand out to me.
1.) Jeremy only has four jumping passes in the second half and only four triples (3A, 3F-1L-3S, 3Z, 2A). He popped one of them, so he only had 3 triples in the second half. Compare that to Hanyu, who has a 3A-3T, 3A-1L-3S, 3Z-2T, 3Lo, 3Z (7 triples). Even though he popped the second 3A, he still did the other six jumps.
The other US men's planned 2nd half
Jason Brown: 3Lo, 3A, 3F-3T, 3Z (and he could opt to do the 1L-3S combo, as he did in Russia), 2A (5 or 6 triples)
Max Aaron: 3A-2T, 3A, 3T-1L-3S, 3Z, 3Lo (6 triples)
Richard Dornbush: 3A-3T, 3Z-2T-2L, 3F-2T, 3L, 3S (6 triples)
Adam Rippon: 3F-3Lo, 3Z-2T, 3Z, 3S, 3T (6 triples)
Stephen Carriere: 3Z, 3Lo, 3S, 3F (4 triples)
Edited to add Nathan Chen: 3Z-2Lo-2Lo, 3F-3T, 3Lo, 3Z, 2A , 3S (6 triples)
2.) The spin levels are a problem. No level 4 spins. Two level 2 spins. Hanyu got at least one level 4 spin (other two were level 3) Even if you're not the best spinner in the world, you can manage to to make level 4 happen.
3.) The fact that Jeremy didn't understand his score until he read the protocols is also a bit telling. I see coaches counting rotations and checking features in real-time and usually they have a pretty good idea of the level when they're done. They might be a debate between a level (i.e. level 3 v. level 4) but they can definitely tell if they zero-out on a non-jump element or they lost a few levels.
His SP skate is actually better constructed with a 3A in the second half. But again, he gives away points with spin levels.
Jeremy has a PCS cushion on all the other guys (except maybe Jason?), but the tech content, and I'm not just talking the quad, needs work.
1.) Jeremy only has four jumping passes in the second half and only four triples (3A, 3F-1L-3S, 3Z, 2A). He popped one of them, so he only had 3 triples in the second half. Compare that to Hanyu, who has a 3A-3T, 3A-1L-3S, 3Z-2T, 3Lo, 3Z (7 triples). Even though he popped the second 3A, he still did the other six jumps.
The other US men's planned 2nd half
Jason Brown: 3Lo, 3A, 3F-3T, 3Z (and he could opt to do the 1L-3S combo, as he did in Russia), 2A (5 or 6 triples)
Max Aaron: 3A-2T, 3A, 3T-1L-3S, 3Z, 3Lo (6 triples)
Richard Dornbush: 3A-3T, 3Z-2T-2L, 3F-2T, 3L, 3S (6 triples)
Adam Rippon: 3F-3Lo, 3Z-2T, 3Z, 3S, 3T (6 triples)
Stephen Carriere: 3Z, 3Lo, 3S, 3F (4 triples)
Edited to add Nathan Chen: 3Z-2Lo-2Lo, 3F-3T, 3Lo, 3Z, 2A , 3S (6 triples)
2.) The spin levels are a problem. No level 4 spins. Two level 2 spins. Hanyu got at least one level 4 spin (other two were level 3) Even if you're not the best spinner in the world, you can manage to to make level 4 happen.
3.) The fact that Jeremy didn't understand his score until he read the protocols is also a bit telling. I see coaches counting rotations and checking features in real-time and usually they have a pretty good idea of the level when they're done. They might be a debate between a level (i.e. level 3 v. level 4) but they can definitely tell if they zero-out on a non-jump element or they lost a few levels.
His SP skate is actually better constructed with a 3A in the second half. But again, he gives away points with spin levels.
Jeremy has a PCS cushion on all the other guys (except maybe Jason?), but the tech content, and I'm not just talking the quad, needs work.
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Thanks Mrs. P. I really enjoy reading your evaluations. It always puts things into perspective. It's sad that Jeremy doesn't have level 4 spins because he has beautiful spins. I think he looks much better than Hanyu style-wise but that isn't enough. Again, a skater at his level should not be having these issues.
This is also only his second competition of the season for Jeremy-which is part of the problem. He should have been out to other competitions for feedback, and to get mileage on the programs. The LP in general has been a weakness of his the last few years. Not sure why.
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Not as much as you might think. I am going to compile a comparison as that sounds interesting to me now. So If you were thinking of it, go treat yourself to a drink rather than worry
At his age/level I am not sure lack of practice is much of an excuse. He should know by now either how to get a program together late in the game (I would say Ashley Wagner got her act together rather quickly without mileage for instance) or know he needs mileage and go out and get it. I agree a challenger/senior b would have been wise for him, but he made the choice to not do that. At his age I am not sure I am willing to give him much benefit of the doubt on this issue. It goes back to my issue with lack of proper self-assessment.
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So blame Sandra Bezic and his coaches rather than Jeremy. And saying that Jason is the exception for a PCS cushion is laughable. Normally, Jeremy does have level 4 spins.(and no I'm not talking about NHK LP this season).
I'm not blaming Jeremy for anything, geez. I'm just observing that he lacks a lot of technical content in the second half relative to his competitors.
And again, I'm not saying that Jason SHOULD be the exception for a PCS cushion, I'm saying that he might be based on how they are ACTUALLY scoring internationally.
Jeremy has been hit and miss on levels on spins. This is not the first time he has missed levels on spins. Doris pointed this out earlier in the thread (http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...-Skate-11-29&p=1034522&viewfull=1#post1034522)
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Well, what doesn't attract you has attracted many other fans as recent as this past weekend at NHK. There have been many that have told him this past weekend that his skating at NHK made them fans.
As far as the facial hair and the costumes, what's it matter?! As long as he likes it? Also, I'll take his facial hair and current costumes over the gaudy crap that Hanyu and others wear. Also, at least he isn't carrying a freakin' Pooh bear around wherever he goes.
He was smart and thought on his feet. If the quads weren't going, then why try them in the program. It worked in the SP didn't it?!
What do you mean "if he stays until Nationals?!" Of course he's staying. :scowl: I agree with everything else, he's calmer and happier.
IDK where you are seeing that the LP has been his "weakness for the last few years." He skated his exogenesis program last season and even though it wasn't as good as the version he skated in 11-12 (Damn tech requirements butchered the choreog). It was still fantastic. The last time I remember him having a bad time with his LP was back when he was having boot troubles.
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Part of this I'll agree with. The latter though...
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I don't mind a bit if Jeremy put on himself those gaudy costumes that Yuzuru often wears. I don't mind the Pooh bear as well. What's the problem? If Brian Orser has the courage to carry Pooh bear around, then all the younger men should have it. What matters is what Jeremy put on ice when it's matters international. And he rarely does.Well, what doesn't attract you has attracted many other fans a recent as this past weekend at NHK. There have been many that have told him this past weekend that his skating at NHK made them fans.
As far as the facial hair and the costumes, what's it matter?! As long as he likes it? Also, I'll take his facial hair and current costumes over the gaudy crap that Hanyu and others wear. Also, at least he isn't carrying a freakin' Pooh bear around wherever he goes.
Part of this I'll agree with. The latter though...
The spins? How is that laughable?
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Well, what doesn't attract you has attracted many other fans as recent as this past weekend at NHK. There have been many that have told him this past weekend that his skating at NHK made them fans.
As far as the facial hair and the costumes, what's it matter?! As long as he likes it? Also, I'll take his facial hair and current costumes over the gaudy crap that Hanyu and others wear. Also, at least he isn't carrying a freakin' Pooh bear around wherever he goes.
Why say Jeremy's styling/personal choices need not be brought up but then mention Yuzuru's?? That's hypocritical.
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I'm not the only one in this thread that made the comparison with Hanyu and others. I was giving my opinion that I'd rather see him in what he's wearing than something out of Miss Piggy's closet.
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It would be better to discuss the flaws, strengths, and fortunes of American men in the State of the U.S. Men thread here
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...e-of-the-U-S-Men-s-Figure-Skating-for-2014-15
rather than in the NHK Men's LP thread.
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...e-of-the-U-S-Men-s-Figure-Skating-for-2014-15
rather than in the NHK Men's LP thread.
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Well, to use another's words- As far as the pooh-toting and the Miss Piggy costumes, what's it matter?! As long as he likes it?
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Then, GOOOoooo Jeremy !!!! 
I've just heard, I thought, 25,806 members out of 25,866 GS members shouting in voiceless voices but in chorus.
I agree with Doris. Let's go back to the topic!
Those who does not agree with me, please visit the following thread in The Edge, which she most kindly posted. The you can continue and forever discuss about ugly spins, garbage-like costumes, facial hair, even chest hair, as you wish.
I've just heard, I thought, 25,806 members out of 25,866 GS members shouting in voiceless voices but in chorus.
I agree with Doris. Let's go back to the topic!
Those who does not agree with me, please visit the following thread in The Edge, which she most kindly posted. The you can continue and forever discuss about ugly spins, garbage-like costumes, facial hair, even chest hair, as you wish.
