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I do think that was the case when CoP was first implemented, but not any more.
Many thought and complained so until new talents stepped up to meet the challenge.
I do think that was the case when CoP was first implemented, but not any more.
Great post. ITA.The difference between the two systems is that now we can pin point and argue about what we disagre on and do it in a quantitative way.
I figured it would be worthwhile to toss this question out there. Mathman posits that it's odd that those who like COP still don't like the winners (usually). So lets figure it out....
a) Do you prefer COP to 6.0 (under any guise)
b) Based on the two skates, how many winners do you agree with?
c) Of those you disagree with, do you feel the result was fair anyway, just not your preference on the day?
= That's the opposite of Koster Csizny. They are much better matched in basic quality, and each has a particular stand out quality: speed(Carolina) and spinning (Alissa). In this case, I think Alissa's higher base value of jumps would be sufficient to barely hold her up. But the difference is so close that's could easily go the other way.
In ladies - Alissa's had a great SP, and a pretty good LP, pushed her technical elements. Caro had a pretty good SP and a LP with some great moments, especially towards the beginning. Skated with more security, the jumps were better, but easier, the spins were weaker. I'd score Alissa slightly higher in PCS, as the judges did.
How many times have other skaters been "robbed" because Carolina was given inflated PCS scores for a flawed performance? I can recall a world silver medal given to Carolina just that way despite a dreadful FS. If Carolina was robbed this time, IMO it's a case of what goes around comes around.
But I think skating is both emotional and rational and I have numbers and data to back the statement up. But I'm also smart enough not to argue numbers with Mathman.
As with all sporting competitions, numbers matter no matter how the rules are written. Because ultimately, it all comes down to 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
D/W are just awful and nothing can be done with them because they are winning because COP ruined ice dance.
First, second and third are not numbers. (Well, OK, sometimes they are called, misleadingly, "ordinal numbers.") Numbers measure quantity. Ordinal placements reward quality. That is the difference.
No COP is awful -encouragement of jump regressions. near destruction of ice dance. worst thing is halfway bonus that has skaters saving for the halfway point which is also jump regression. It is far too restricted and not free in the free skates. It's so dumb that you have this 2:00 or 2:15 marker where things get started. Lots of skaters do nothing before it-it's awful.
First, second and third are not numbers. (Well, OK, sometimes they are called, misleadingly, "ordinal numbers.") Numbers measure quantity. Ordinal placements reward quality. That is the difference.
While I like the basic concept of the CoP, I do agree that ice dance is unrecognizable from what it was. The fact that T/D's Bolero would be impossible under the current system is just wrong. I wish they designed the CoP of ice dancing with Bolero as the free dance basis.
And I also agree the free skate is not remotely free. They need to lower the number of allowed elements, which will give skaters more time to fill out a program with artistic content.
Think of Davis and White's programs as the "quad" of ice dance. It may not be to your esthetic taste, but it shows lots of athleticism.
Mea culpa! Still, I don't have a problem with asking people to quantify subjective feelings. Or rather, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being total disagreement and 10 being complete agreement, I'm an 8 on judging with numbers.
While I like the basic concept of the CoP, I do agree that ice dance is unrecognizable from what it was. The fact that T/D's Bolero would be impossible under the current system is just wrong. I wish they designed the CoP of ice dancing with Bolero as the free dance basis.
And I also agree the free skate is not remotely free. They need to lower the number of allowed elements, which will give skaters more time to fill out a program with artistic content.