I think it's a mistake though, because it makes no sense that you get a "world record" even though somebody who has already skated scored higher than you did.
I think it's a mistake in the sense that they never thought about doing it differently. I think all stats get updated manually after the event, so probably they just look at the scores from the competition and everything that is higher than a previous record gets in the list. And maybe different people take care of the dance section, and use a different process. I'm speculating obviously.It really makes no sense but there are so many of these non-records at ISU's website that they can't be mistakes. It is just a stupid policy of ISU to list them all and not care about the skating order. To make things even more stupid is to have a different policy in ice dancing than in the other three disciplines.
And maybe different people take care of the dance section, and use a different process. I'm speculating obviously.
Anyway I think the ISU doesn't give a damn about highest scores and that's why they don't even bother about handling them in a logical way.
Does anybody know if there is an official ISU document where there are regulations regarding highest scores?
Explanatory Note:
Please note that the ISU Judging System in use for the 2004/5 season has been enhanced since the trials in 2003, which means that scores are not 100% comparable between this season and last.
The "S" or "J" in the final column indicates whether the score was achieved in a Junior or Senior competition. As the required elements for Junior competitions are slightly less demanding than for Senior competitions, scores in Junior competitions will tend to be lower.
The highest score tables will be updated after each Grand Prix of Figure Skating event and ISU Championship.
The "Progression of Highest Score" tables show how the highest scores have progressed since the first event where the ISU Judging System was in place, which was the 2003 Nebelhorn Trophy.
"Highest Total Scores" lists all of the total scores over 125 for ladies and pairs and over 150 for men and ice dancing. You can therefore see how the scores of the top skaters have varied at different competitions.
The best results achieved in competitions operating under the ISU Judging System are referred to as "highest scores" and "personal bests". The ISU does not currently recognize the highest scores as "World records
I think most commentators and figure skating journalists should just be more educated and stop mentioning World records because they're making more people confused by calling some scores as world records.My guess is that the ISU has no consistent policy, since it has ditched the concept of World Record Scores.
This is the same ISU that allowed 3 Chinese pairs to compete at 2010 Junior Worlds, although China had only qualified for two pairs due to their results at 2009 Junior Worlds. Then when fans and coaches pointed this out, the ISU had to get back the medals and change the records.
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/archive/features/Chinese Pairs.htm
The ISU has never been particularly competent or consistent.
Do you have videos in which it's almost impossible to tell if that person is doing a Lutz or a Flip?Under the current rules, if the technical panel knows that a jump was intended as a lutz (from the approach and/or from the planned program content sheet), they will call it as a lutz -- if there is an edge change before the takeoff, they'll call it 3Lze (if it's triple).
They would only call it as a flip if they believe it was intended as a flip.
If the entry into the jump is so ambiguous that they can't tell what was intended, they'll use clues from other jumps in the program and from the PPCS to make an educated guess.
If they know it was intended as a lutz, they won't call it as a flip.
Maybe someday the rules about that will change so that all intended lutzes that take off from inside edges are called as flips.
The tech panel will not try to figure whether following the skater's intention or overriding the intention to call the actual takeoff edge would end up with more points for this performance.
I think most commentators and figure skating journalists should just be more educated and stop mentioning World records because they're making more people confused by calling some scores as world records.
Do you have videos in which it's almost impossible to tell if that person is doing a Lutz or a Flip?
I think the first video is a flutz, she probably went for a lutz.Some pre-IJS examples where I don't know what the skater's actual intention was:
Probably intended as lutz preceded by simple steps, but never on outside edge
Probably flip with wrong edge, but maybe she was intentionally doing a rocker into 3Lz
Do you have videos in which it's almost impossible to tell if that person is doing a Lutz or a Flip?
I'm sure someone will give you a more comprehensive reply, but in short yes a few judges can change between short and long, because for the more important competitions there is a pool of judges and among them are drawn the ones for each segment, but since this pool is only slightly bigger (sorry I can't remember the details), most judges will remain the same among the two events.Do judges usually change between the short and the long program?
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??
Do judges usually change between the short and the long program?
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??