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I keep forgetting to do any prerotation at all and I can tell you, it's not so easy to eek out 1 rotation on a jump with no prerotation at all as an Adult On-set Skater. My coach keeps trying to get me to prorotate a little bit and I can't wait to jump. Currently, I'm jumping the Waltz jump to 1 Lutz jump. I've only once done an Axel by accident, only because I was mad that my coach had me doing so many Waltz jumps. The only double jump I've ever was doing was the double Salchow, 14 years, illnesses and work place injuries ago, and like my other jumps, I either did not prerotate or barely prerotated. I had a lot of falls on that double Salchow because I had trouble doing any type of prerotation.There are skaters, judges, and officials who have been here and even posted, it's not just a "fan board". I post here because I like having a centralized place to talk about skating, with anyone in the world. Information should be shared and better understood by all. My name is Tim Gerber, I'm a former skater who trained as a tech specialist and choreographer. I've worked with people inside (and outside) the ISU for many years at creating reforms to ice skating and changes to the scoring system. I can link you to some reading material if you'd like, I'm also doing an interview with NBC for this upcoming Olympics.
She did barely more than 2 rotations in the air, exactly provable by the footage. That's not "the way I see it", it's something anyone can see if they want to look closely. Such a thing should not be considered a sufficiently rotated Triple. I was able to spot the problem in real-time too, the shape of the jump is simply wrong in motion, it visibly looks short.
Her toe doesn't take off at 185 degrees, it's past that, nor is my scientific analysis of her jumps the result of disliking her. I've applied this exact analysis to everyone for over a decade now, including people I like. You don't seem to be looking or listening, only ignoring.
5 degrees of rotation can make all the difference in calling something underrotated or not, tech panels have to make these calls exactly as close as they can. If something is 5 degrees short of the rotation mark (and let's assume for a moment that a jump had the exact allowable amount of pre-rotation), it has to be called, that's just the rule. You defend this all the time, so stop being so hypocritical. Underrotations aren't 100% verifiable in every instance in real time and it does get annoying at times to laser focus in on the jump rotations, but fair is fair and there needs to be a clear and accurate system.
It would rarely be a big a deal anyway if the jumps were actually judged well; a visibly borderline jump that doesn't get the underrotation call should be given -1 less in the total GOE, whereas a jump that does get the underrotation call shouldn't be given any further GOE penalty. This way the points would be closer in the end and the tech panel deciding which way to make the call would not be such an all-consuming thing.
Incorrect, there ARE tech specialists and others involved with skating who care, and even if 0 people who were chosen to judge at competitions were aware of it or cared, that doesn't mean it's how things should be.
Actual skaters who have better technique certainly do care and would care that they are not getting they credit they deserve. As someone who did Triple jumps and tried varying techniques, it is definitely easier to do a jump by pre-rotating around on the toepick and then doing less actual rotation in the air. People should not be getting the same amount of credit for a jump that blatantly takes less effort to execute and becomes easier to control because of the lesser amount of rotation that is being executed by the skater. That is exactly why a Triple jump is worth more than a Double jump or a Triple Lutz worth more than a Triple Toe, because the varying levels of difficulty on the rotation or takeoff is being credited.
You've tried this false snark before and I'm getting tired of it. The work I did in 2014 (and prior to that and since then) has created actual changes to the scoring system. No rational person would consider that inconsequential.