2014 Olympics Ladies Short Program

[yelyoh]

No more secret judging!!!!!!!!

 

[fahrenheit290]

Interesting tidbit: Mao Asada could very likely become the first person in many years to return to the Olympics after medaling in the prior Olympics to NOT medal again. Everyone else here since Katarina Witt in 1992 (coming off 2 gold medals in 84 and 88) either retired or medaled again.

Albertville: Yamaguchi, Midori, Kerrigan
Lillehammer: Baiul, Kerrigan, Chen
Nagano: Lipinski, Kwan, Chen
SLC: Hughes, Slutskaya, Kwan
Torino: Arakawa, Cohen, Slutskaya
Vancouver: Kim, Mao, Rochette

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Also: When was the last time a ladies champion was heavily debated or controversial?? I wonder if we'll see that tomorrow, given how many people are complaining about the judging.

 

[bekalc]

Her GOEs were almost all too high (triple flip, combination spin, double axel, footwork sequence), while Kim and Kostner should have been higher on many of their elements, and it has already been questioned in this thread how she got level 4 spins and footwork, and how Kostner's far more difficult footwork sequence wasnt a level 4 for instance. Yes the PCS were even worse than the TES though. Either way there is no denying Sotnikova is atleast 5 points better compared to Kim and Kostner than she deserved and skating is on the verge of a huge scandal if such marking occurs in the LP, and unlike the other events the skates dont justify the medals despite the Russianflation like the other events they thankfuly did inspite of the scores.

How was the GOE too high? The double axel is huge, and it has a difficult entrance and exit She absolutely deserves huge GOE for that. Her spins are faster than both Kim and Kostner's and with interesting positions. She deserves higher GOE than that. Kim's spins were a bit slow.

Footwork, well I am not a technical caller to determine if Kostner met the requirement for level four footwork.

You can quibble if you want with Sotnikova's PCS, but she does skate with huge speed and power... But her elements are top notch and worth of high GOE, which she gets wherever she skates-not just in Russia.

 

[pororocheburashka]

:thumbsup:

No more secret judging!!!!!!!!

 

[FSGMT]

Sotnikova has been scoring very high for short programs all season long. And she got all level fours, Kim and Kostner didn't. Once can talk about the PCS, but the technical scores? I wonder how many are actually looking at the protocols there.

I look at them, and I can see that Adelina received a level 4 for the step sequence, while both Yu-Na and Caro didn't... Coincidence? :sarcasm:

 

[apgold]

So sad to see Mao and Kanako in group 2. I hope they both skate well tomorrow!

 

[Panini]

Poor girl. NOT the history she was trying to make. If she nails all her jumps in the FS, would that be a historical accomplishment? Landing all 6 triples in one program?

Interesting tidbit: Mao Asada could very likely become the first person in many years to return to the Olympics after medaling in the prior Olympics to NOT medal again. Everyone else here since Katarina Witt in 1992 (coming off 2 gold medals in 84 and 88) either retired or medaled again.

Albertville: Yamaguchi, Midori, Kerrigan
Lillehammer: Baiul, Kerrigan, Chen
Nagano: Lipinski, Kwan, Chen
SLC: Hughes, Slutskaya, Kwan
Torino: Arakawa, Cohen, Slutskaya
Vancouver: Kim, Mao, Rochette

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Also: When was the last time a ladies champion was heavily debated or controversial?? I wonder if we'll see that tomorrow, given how many people are complaining about the judging.

 

[bekalc]

I look at them, and I can see that Adelina received a level 4 for the step sequence, while both Yu-Na and Caro didn't... Coincidence? :sarcasm:

So you saying the technical caller is bought. I'm not surprised Kostner missed some spin levels, she has a tendency to miss spin levels. I'm not surprised that Yu-na who has not competed much, would miss some levels either..

 

[Olympia]

Lol, because I am not an English native speaker, neither does she, we have different ways of using English. Daaria mentioned the word "great" which is a compliment, you should know better that she/he meant now insult at all. You came ti us like we are bunch of racists while we are just not good at english. Don't throw dictionary at us, you sound like you are descending to us from a higher place. I feel annoyed at your way of nitpicking, it's like we have just committed a crime, while in fact we are innocent.

I hope you and other posters who aren't native English speakers continue to post, because that is how you will become more comfortable in English. When I was in college, we had to do our French courses in French--speaking in class and writing our papers. At first I must have given the professors quite a few laughs, but practice really does make perfect. (I'm rusty now because of lack of practice.) You'll be able to express yourselves (and rebut the arguments of others!) with more and more subtlety.

You are entitled to express your opinions, as long as (in my personal preference) you are not malicious about the skaters or other fans. Go for it!

 

[Mathman]

I wonder what Adelina's marks would have been if Julia hadn't fallen.

 

[Ophelia]

Poor girl. NOT the history she was trying to make. If she nails all her jumps in the FS, would that be a historical accomplishment? Landing all 6 triples in one program?

Mao is attempting 8 triples, I believe.

She should just go for broke tmrw. She stands to lose nothing at this point.

 

[Olympia]

I wonder what Adelina's marks would have been if Julia hadn't fallen.

An interesting thought!

 

[amc987]

I'm not scrolling through over 125 pages of this thread, but there were several, uhh, anomalies in the scoring. Kim was probably underscored. She gave such a sensitive, genuine performance. I guess she lost some points on her layback and on her step sequence, but I still think she was a class above everyone except Carolina. Adelina and Julia were, predictably, overscored. No way Julia should get over 63 for a program with a downgrade/fall. Julia looked so nervous and her choreo, which can sometimes seem a little put on to me, felt less sincere than usual. It was like watching someone go through the motions without feeling. Adelina shouldn't have been over 72 for that program. She was brilliant, but her presentation skills and all that over-the-top gesturing shouldn't get the same component scores as Kim and Kostner's elegant/ artistic numbers. She was a femme fatale, but she was emoting so much I was slightly concerned she'd have a stroke.

I think it was unfair for Ashley to get a downgrade on her 3T. It was underrotated, but it wasn't <<. I am pleased that she got the component scores she deserves. I hope we get Diva Wagner in the free skate with 3F-3T! I thought Gracie's score was a bit too high. She was really off on her 2A landing (so far outside the circle that it's a miracle she was able to save it) and her 3Z was forward and wonky. Her presentation was good but you could tell that she was very nervous. Polina's marks were, IMO, fair. She looks juniorish and there are a lot of empty moments in her program, but she hit all those jumps when very few of the top contenders did.

Carolina was a vision. Did she really do 3F-3T? I was so nervous for her that I don't think I saw that. I'll have to roll back my recording and see it. But she was so light and airy and beautiful. For me, she and Kim should be tied in 1st.

I am gutted for the entire Japanese team. WTH was in the water at the Japan House yesterday/ today? Suzuki's 3T-3T turned into a 3T<<, Kanako popped her 3F and Mao fell on that 3A and doubled out on her loop sans combo. Oy vey. It was devastating. I hope all three of them come back with characteristically strong performances in the free skate.

I don't even think I can predict what will happen tomorrow. I bet Kim will win, but silver and bronze are totally up for grabs unless Carolina and Adelina skate lights out. They've both done some pretty shaky long programs while the more consistent skaters this season (Julia, Ashley, etc.) are farther down in the standings. I may have to light a candle/ take a valium before tomorrow.

 

[roxella]

I wonder what Adelina's marks would have been if Julia hadn't fallen.

Me too...but I guess that much lower

 

[FSGMT]

So you saying the technical caller is bought. I'm not surprised Kostner missed some spin levels, she has a tendency to miss spin levels. I'm not surprised that Yu-na who has not competed much, would miss some levels either..

I was actually specifically talking about the step sequence, that is worth a lot of points About the spins: Yu-Na and Caro deserved levels 3s for their laybacks and received them, while Sotnikova performed a clean Biellman and received a level 4; perfectly fair :yes:

 

[Dutchie]

I wonder what Adelina's marks would have been if she had drawn an earlier start position. (not saying she doesn't deserve her marks or her current placement).

 

[pororocheburashka]

Do we set a new record for numbers of replies on a single thread?

 

[samson]

Could someone jusst explain the rationale of factoring a level 4 footwork at .7 but a level 3 footwork at .5?? This boggles me.

 

[tjskate]

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the countries of the judging panel. Technical specialists from France and Finland, Technical controller from Russia. Judges from US, Canada, Italy, Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Sweden, Czech Republic, Korea. Referee from Switzerland. It just seems to me that all these accusations of corruption and collusion, particularly inflating the Russian scores, are highly unlikely.

 

[bekalc]

I wonder what Adelina's marks would have been if Julia hadn't fallen.

Sotnikova's been outscoring Yulia in the short all season. The NBC live commentators said Sotnikova's jumps were bigger than Kim's.