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    Competing at the same GP event every year

    It's clear that skaters who compete in their home country often receive higher scores and new PBs due to many reasons (like the audience's influence)

    We also know that judging isn't the same at each event: there are panels more strict or more lenient and judges who usually work at the same events (correct me if i'm wrong but Shin Amano has only worked in China and Japan)

    Now skaters obviously can't choose their GP events, but in some cases we see skaters competing at the same event every year: for example Satoko Miyahara has always competed at the NHK Trophy since her very first year in the senior circuit (and even next year she is going to NHK).

    Do you think this is an actual advantage? and if so, do you think there should be a limit on how many times a skater can compete at the same event? (let's say not for more than two-three years in a row)

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    I think it's an advantage to skate at home. And I think it's an advantage to not have to travel if you train in a particular country.

    But, no, I don't think there needs to be a limit. This is one case where I can appreciate that the host countries need to fill seats by selling tickets, and while that is an advantage to the big-name local skaters, it is also an advantage for all the athletes to have a larger crowd.

    I do think there should be clearer, results-based criteria for assigning all athletes to GPs. I don't think host countries should be able to stack the deck in their favor by skipping over/failing to invite qualified athletes (either from non-host countries or from other host countries). And I don't think any country (either large host countries or small countries with judges or members on technical panels) should be able to politic their athletes into GP events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolstoj View Post
    ...(correct me if i'm wrong but Shin Amano has only worked in China and Japan) ...
    You are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolstoj View Post
    Do you think this is an actual advantage? and if so, do you think there should be a limit on how many times a skater can compete at the same event? (let's say not for more than two-three years in a row)
    It's an advantage to be at or near your home country. From 1997 on, Michelle Kwan only competed at Skate America and Skate Canada. I don't think it was a coincidence, as not having to deal with things like jet lag certainly helped her skate well, earn high marks, and maintain her aura of invincibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Dance View Post
    I think it's an advantage to skate at home. And I think it's an advantage to not have to travel if you train in a particular country.

    But, no, I don't think there needs to be a limit. This is one case where I can appreciate that the host countries need to fill seats by selling tickets, and while that is an advantage to the big-name local skaters, it is also an advantage for all the athletes to have a .
    I agree that there are advantage for the skater and also agree that there are economic and commercial reason why the host country always could have their big name skaters competiting at home soils. Rather than limiting skaters, maybe there should be policy in relation to rotation of judges? (Please correct me if there are already system in place.) In theory, judges should all follow the same protocol, so it shouldn't be a problem about where you rotate them? And it won't give the impression to people that the judges from the host country will purposly over score any skaters competiting at home country.

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    There will always be some advantage for skating on home ice, however it's not like everyone will feel great with pressure from your own people. Ask Javier Fernandez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There will always be some advantage for skating on home ice, however it's not like everyone will feel great with pressure from your own people. Ask Javier Fernandez.
    And Yuna Kim!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapis View Post
    And Yuna Kim!!
    I was about to mention her but then I was afraid to get killed... but yeap... crazy expectation on home ice isn't a piece of cake. Yulia Lipnitkaya felt it at Sochi individual event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice coverage View Post
    What I find the most interesting about that link is that I had no idea Ravi Walia was a judge/tech specialist as well as a coach. Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice coverage View Post
    Assistant specialist doesn't have much power in the tech panel.

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    Aren't the National Champions offered their home GP Events before everyone else? I imagine that Skate America will be offered to Karen Chen before any other lady. The same with Nathan. They will be the biggest draw for the home audience. Look at Patrick Chan and Kaetlyn Osmond......I am willing to get on plane, book a hotel, and pay whatever it costs to get to see them in person. It's much harder to get tickets for Nationals and for the skaters, it can be cost effective to stay close to home. Not to mention the fact that friends and family will have an easier time attending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Assistant specialist doesn't have much power in the tech panel.
    I disagree, but do not care to debate the issue.

    Plus misconceptions about Shin Amano (a different one recently was in another thread) are worth debunking, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice coverage View Post
    I disagree, but do not care to debate the issue.

    Plus misconceptions about Shin Amano (a different one recently was in another thread) are worth debunking, IMO.
    Oooh, do you remember which thread this discussion is in? My curiosity has been piqued.

    I remember there was a meme of Shin going around after NHK last season that said his favourite song was "24 Carrot Magic" by Bruno Mars. Heh. That's an intentional use of the homonym for "karat", of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I was about to mention her but then I was afraid to get killed... but yeap... crazy expectation on home ice isn't a piece of cake. Yulia Lipnitkaya felt it at Sochi individual event.
    Same goes to all the Russian skaters with CoR. Poor Anna....

    Most skaters want NHK nowadays. Best audiences in the world, who can blame them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning View Post
    Same goes to all the Russian skaters with CoR. Poor Anna....

    Most skaters want NHK nowadays. Best audiences in the world, who can blame them.
    Completely True!! Followed closely by Canada.

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