Some judge gave Liza a -1 for this epic 3A: https://twitter.com/i/status/1056001662299435008
*Picks up phone* Hello ISU, what even?!!
*Picks up phone* Hello ISU, what even?!!
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Skater | Comp | PCS | Errors | GOE | Score range | Skater | Comp | PCS | Errors | GOE | Score Range | |||
1 | Shoma Uno | LT | 46.50 | none | 14.05 | 9.00-9.50 | 1 | Mikhail Kolyada | ONT | [FONT="]91.50[/FONT] | [FONT="]fall[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT] | 13.54 | 8.50–9.50 | |
2 | Yuzuru Hanyu | ACI | 45.40 | missing element | 11.24 | 8.00–9.50 | 2 | Mikhail Kolyada | FT | [FONT="]90.28[/FONT] | 2 pops | [FONT="]15.14[/FONT] | [FONT="]8.50–9.50[/FONT] | |
3 | Nathan Chen | SA | 44.64 | <, ! | 5.98 | 8.00–9.75 | 3 | Nathan Chen | SA | [FONT="]90.24[/FONT] | ! | [FONT="]15.04[/FONT] | [FONT="]8.50–9.75[/FONT] | |
4 | Mikhail Kolyada | ONT | 44.30 | none | 10.52 | 8.00–9.25 | 4 | Shoma Uno | JO | 89.44 | [FONT="]fall, [/FONT][FONT="]<x2[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT] | [FONT="]12.49[/FONT] | [FONT="]8.50–9.50[/FONT] | |
5 | Jason Brown | ACI | 44.10 | < | 9.01 | 8.50–9.50 | 5 | Shoma Uno | LT | [FONT="]89.30[/FONT] | [FONT="]fall, <, REP[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT] | -0.18 | 8.25–9.50 | |
6 | Shoma Uno | SC | 43.24 | fall | 1.03 | 8.00–9.25 | 6 | Shoma Uno | SC | [FONT="]88.64[/FONT] | [FONT="] 2 f alls, < [/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT] | 13.83 | [FONT="]8.50–9.25[/FONT] | |
7 | Jason Brown | SC | 42.96 | fall, <x2 | 3.70 | 7.75–9.00 | 7 | Yuzuru Hanyu | ACI | 87.90 | fall, [FONT="]3 pops, 2xV[/FONT] | [FONT="]9.77[/FONT] | [FONT="]7.75–9.25[/FONT] | |
8 | Mikhail Kolyada | FT | 42.75 | fall | 2.55 | 7.25–9.25 | 8 | Javier Fernández | JO | 87.80 | 3 pops | [FONT="]7.67[/FONT] | 8.00–9.25 | |
9 | Keegan Messing | SC | 42.24 | none | 12.02 | 7.75–9.00 | 9 | Keegan Messing | SC | [FONT="]87.22[/FONT] | fall, [FONT="]<, REP[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT] | [FONT="]14.86[/FONT] | [FONT="]8.00–9.50[/FONT] | |
10 | Keegan Messing | NT | 41.60 | none | 8.34 | 7.75–9.00 | 10 | Jason Brown | SC | 84.36 | pop, < | [FONT="]12.13[/FONT] | [FONT="]7.75–9.00[/FONT] |
New Rostelecom Cup FAKE UR calls:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gprus2018/gprus2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
https://youtu.be/EIynTD_7168?t=342
3Lz+3T< UR call was fake. It seems they just don't want Sofia to be in GPF instead of Kaori.
https://youtu.be/q5bzQp185zU?t=182
Alina's 3F<+2T+2Lo UR call was fake as well.
Also her 3Lz<+3Lo combo was 90 degree UR and they can be less picky about that but they choose not to.
New Rostelecom Cup FAKE UR calls:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1819/gprus2018/gprus2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
https://youtu.be/EIynTD_7168?t=342
3Lz+3T< UR call was fake. It seems they just don't want Sofia to be in GPF instead of Kaori.
https://youtu.be/q5bzQp185zU?t=182
Alina's 3F<+2T+2Lo UR call was fake as well.
Also her 3Lz<+3Lo combo was 90 degree UR and they can be less picky about that but they chose not to.
I can’t even make the effort to comment on these calls. IMO, Rostelecom Cup GP comp has been the most disappointing of the GP series so far. Nobody skated clean, no real outstanding performance and the ladies competition was frankly quite mediocre. Polina Tsurskaya is especially worrying.
Now about the Euler. I saw in some protocols 1Eu in jump combination was downgraded (1Eu<<) and combination is ratified. But how is that possible? How is possible to call that a jump combination at all when there was basically no Euler between jumps?
1. In the former system a 4T-3T combination where the 4T was textbook perfect and the 3T resulted in a fall ended up with a mandatory negative GOE overall (around -2.75). Now it seems people can get away with a positive GOE as a whole if the error was made on only one part of the combination (e.g. Hanyu got a positive GOE on his combination with a turnout on the second half in Helsinki). Is that really a thing with the new bulletpoints for quality criteria or just judges not sticking to the new rules?
2. Can an executed jump/element result in a negative impact overall (e.g. BV 2.00 + fall -3 GOE = -1.00) or GOE is always adjusted to the element itself (=elements cannot earn more GOE than BV itself) so a 1Lz with a fall can only earn 0.00 in a worst case scenario?
3. It seems jumps can be repeated now in the FS (e.g. Zagitova's 2 solo 2As in her FS), right?
4. Why is prerotation still not addressed?
I'm sure it has been discussed to death but the thread seems impossible to effectively browse. So please excuse me but a question for members who are more knowledgable than me:
1. In the former system a 4T-3T combination where the 4T was textbook perfect and the 3T resulted in a fall ended up with a mandatory negative GOE overall (around -2.75). Now it seems people can get away with a positive GOE as a whole if the error was made on only one part of the combination (e.g. Hanyu got a positive GOE on his combination with a turnout on the second half in Helsinki). Is that really a thing with the new bulletpoints for quality criteria or just judges not sticking to the new rules?
2. Can an executed jump/element result in a negative impact overall (e.g. BV 2.00 + fall -3 GOE = -1.00) or GOE is always adjusted to the element itself (=elements cannot earn more GOE than BV itself) so a 1Lz with a fall can only earn 0.00 in a worst case scenario?
3. It seems jumps can be repeated now in the FS (e.g. Zagitova's 2 solo 2As in her FS), right?
4. Why is prerotation still not addressed?
Thank you in advance. (Btw a shorter overview on the implemented most important changes would be nice. )
It has long been the case that positive qualities of the element are supposed to be considered first and reductions for errors subtracted afterward.
Now about the Euler. I saw in some protocols 1Eu in jump combination was downgraded (1Eu<<) and combination is ratified. But how is that possible? How is possible to call that a jump combination at all when there was basically no Euler between jumps?
It has been, but it has never exactly been applied properly (note a slew of barely rotated jumps getting +3s for whatever reason, never exactly getting deducted for "lacking rotation"). This season, though, seems worse, with the "required bullets" stuff. Not exactly sure how a fall can still get -2 or -3 when it doesn't exactly satisfy the "good through take-off to landing" bullet (or however it was phrased).
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