Breakthrough - Liza Tuks joins the echelons of 3A ladies

[Globetrotter]

Midori Ito remains untouched.

Unfortunately, I doubt that there will be another female skater who can jump like a Midori Ito in the next 50 years. She landed the first 3A for ladies in 1988 and to date, nobody even came close to her jumping abilities. Tonya Harding was possibly the closest outside that scary tilt on her axels but what a waste of her fearless talent.

 

[solani]

That wasn't me debating you--that was me trying not to be a nuisance. If you want to have a go on this then take it to right thread and we'll 'debate' there.

Nope, I won't start this discussion in the other thread, because I'm perfectly happy with the PCS score Elizaveta received compared to her competitors. You can start it there, I might join you.

yes, I think that overall, what stuck out as odd to me in Tuks performance was the choreo. It was scored 8.46 but i just felt that it should be at most about 6.8-7 as the composition of the elements just didn't feel right. Thus if you assume the other components stay the same, the PCS after the 0.8 factor will come out to about 32.37 max. Thats less than a point above Lena and slightly more than a point and a half above Gold and Wagner.

Choreo was scored 8.0 at Euros. I'm not a huge fan of the Bolero program, but I like the way they placed the 3A into it. It's right with the music, so I like that. I . think the placement of the jump elements was better than at Euros, now she had the combo in the 2nd half. But you're right, you can discuss the score for choreography, but 7 seems a bit harsh.

 

[Mirunna]

Not as long of a set up, huh? Tukt definitely takes plenty of time going into hers and with not as much speed as Mao had, in my estimation. If you watch Mao's 3A in the SP from Worlds last year, it does not look forced or leaned-forward much at all? Tukt's takeoff is a bit more swingy if you ask me.

Neither of their 3Axel's are completed fully in the air or have the massive amplitude normally associated with the jump, so in that regard they lack a certain impact. Midori Ito remains untouched.

I might be completely wrong, but while I find Mao's 3A more pleasant to watch, I think it's amazing that Liza's 3A, with all the long entry and swingy jump, does not look at all prerotated.

 

[jenm]

With the wonderful 3A Liza has, Mao may not have any motivation to return to competition anymore.

Liza has only landed two 3As in competition so far. Mao did 3 in one competition once and that's not the only ones she did. I like Liza's jumps but she lacks the grace, beautiful spins and killer step sequence that Mao has/had. I'd love to see Mao return. 3A is not the only thing she can offer.

Altho back to the topic, yay for Liza, her 3A and setting history in FS! Her 3A is so easy looking. I hope she gets to land more in her career. I'd give her 73-74 pts in SP tho. Her PCS is quite over scored IMO. Not a fan of the step sequence and spins and musicality wise, not on the level of Yuna and Mao's WR. But still. she sells her program and she's quite impressive!

 

[blue_ice]

The most beautiful 3A in ladies. Looks so easy and light.

 

[chairmanmao]

Not as long of a set up, huh? Tukt definitely takes plenty of time going into hers and with not as much speed as Mao had, in my estimation. If you watch Mao's 3A in the SP from Worlds last year, it does not look forced or leaned-forward much at all? Tukt's takeoff is a bit more swingy if you ask me.

Neither of their 3Axel's are completed fully in the air or have the massive amplitude normally associated with the jump, so in that regard they lack a certain impact. Midori Ito remains untouched.

That 3A Mao landed from last years Worlds was not that good honestly. If you want to see a good recent 3A from Mao it would have to be the one she landed at 4CC 2013. Short abbreviated entry and with air to spare. A distant second would be the one she landed at GPF 2013 that was unfortunately downgraded by some insane tech controller.

 

[yuki]

That 3A Mao landed from last years Worlds was not that good honestly. If you want to see a good recent 3A from Mao it would have to be the one she landed at 4CC 2013. Short abbreviated entry and with air to spare. A distant second would be the one she landed at GPF 2013 that was unfortunately downgraded by some insane tech controller.

Shin Amano was the technical specialist at that competition.

 

[Mirunna]

That 3A Mao landed from last years Worlds was not that good honestly. If you want to see a good recent 3A from Mao it would have to be the one she landed at 4CC 2013. Short abbreviated entry and with air to spare. A distant second would be the one she landed at GPF 2013 that was unfortunately downgraded by some insane tech controller.

Oh come on, the one she landed in the SP at 2014 worlds was gorgeous and stunning. The one in the LP was at most borderline and Shin Amano, as usual, deemed it as being ur

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

The most beautiful 3A in ladies. Looks so easy and light.

I agree. I love watching her jump because there is never a question as to whether she got all the way around.

 

[Alchamei]

Shin Amano was the technical specialist at that competition.

But he still likes further Japanese ladies...

 

[Sandpiper]

I see no reason to compare Liza's 3A with the men. It plagued Mao for years, and I always disagreed. The other girls aren't getting their 3-3s or triple lutzes compared with the men, or else they'd never get a single GOE above +1.

 

[chairmanmao]

Oh come on, the one she landed in the SP at 2014 worlds was gorgeous and stunning. The one in the LP was at most borderline and Shin Amano, as usual, deemed it as being ur

I think I read that name in the Ladies SP thread. Isn't that name Japanese? I think he wants to prove he's impartial except he ducked Mao what could have been a WR SP. I still feel that mess up Mao's performance at National's that lead to her SP meltdown at Sochi. I just saw who officiated at GPF 2013, it was this guy and a Korean, no chance for Mao. I wonder then why he and the judges were so lenient to Liza's 3A then. The entry, air position, and the landing were poor but she got a 10 plus for it.

 

[Crystallize]

I think I read that name in the Ladies LP thread. Isn't that name Japanese? I think he wants to prove he's impartial except he ducked Mao what could have been a WR SP. I still feel that mess up Mao's performance at National's that lead to her SP meltdown at Sochi. I just saw who officiated at GPF 2013, it was this guy and a Korean, no chance for Mao. I wonder then why he and the judges were so lenient to Liza's 3A then. The entry, air position, and the landing were poor but she got a 10 plus for it.

Yes. Shin Amano is Japanese. Like you didn't know. I'm totally convinced you're a troll now.

 

[LRK]

I think I read that name in the Ladies SP thread. Isn't that name Japanese? I think he wants to prove he's impartial except he ducked Mao what could have been a WR SP. I still feel that mess up Mao's performance at National's that lead to her SP meltdown at Sochi. I just saw who officiated at GPF 2013, it was this guy and a Korean, no chance for Mao. I wonder then why he and the judges were so lenient to Liza's 3A then. The entry, air position, and the landing were poor but she got a 10 plus for it.

Shin Amano has nothing to do with Liza's 3A score. It's not his business to award GOEs. Or are you suggesting he should have given her a UR call?

 

[Crystallize]

Shin Amano has nothing to do with Liza's 3A score. It's not his business to award GOEs. Or are you suggesting he should have given her a UR call?

Exactly. chairmanmao is just another conspiracy theorist. So there's most likely no convincing them.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I wonder then why he and the judges were so lenient to Liza's 3A then. The entry, air position, and the landing were poor but she got a 10 plus for it.

There was nothing "poor" about the jump. The landing was controlled, the rotation was completed properly, and there was an ease about the jump. No, she didn't do footwork into the jump and landed on the inside edge but the jump was superior to almost all of Mao's attempts in recent years, which she almost always landed right at 1/4 short.

There are many things that Mao does better than Liza. Triple jumps are not among those.

 

[Krislite]

Joining the congrats late here, but I must give my hats off to Liza who's completely silenced the naysayers who doubted she can pull this jump off at a big competition. To do it so cleanly at Worlds for her true "first" attempt was astounding. And then to maintain her focus long enough to do the rest of the program clean was another hurdle she easily cleared. Her LP is probably a breeze compared to this short program.

 

[Lipea]

PS. on the other hand, how long her back can endure this 10 starts/year regime?

Actually this is her 12th start PLUS Bavarian open short program.
I assume she will go to team event, then it will be 13...

 

[Krislite]

I'm glad she didn't break the world record, though. She needs a reason to come back next season.

And a better short program.

 

[minze]

There was nothing "poor" about the jump. The landing was controlled, the rotation was completed properly, and there was an ease about the jump. No, she didn't do footwork into the jump and landed on the inside edge but the jump was superior to almost all of Mao's attempts in recent years, which she almost always landed right at 1/4 short.

There are many things that Mao does better than Liza. Triple jumps are not among those.

Must we drag Mao into this?