Finlandia Trophy 2012 Oct 5 - Oct 7

[Mrs. P]

A talking to once in a while is good but the kid is still growing up. At least he has ditched Winnie The Pooh.

I'm not advocating that he gets one! I'm just saying that Orser would probably bring it up if it's really that much of a problem from a judging standpoint.

I think that he has grown up quite a bit already! But yes, he has a lot more to do.

 

[MasterB]

Loved Weir's program and the fact that he almost landed the quad. Good for him. He can only go up from here.

Dornbush, major improvement from last year's disaster. Good for him. Nationals is going to be awesome.

 

[FTnoona]

A talking to once in a while is good but the kid is still growing up. At least he has ditched Winnie The Pooh.

Actually Winnie the Pooh was still there just a little more hidden this time around :
Take Pooh away too fast and he might experience withdrawal

 

[slipslidin]

The histrionics that some people think Hanyu indulges in would be considered shameful by a Japanese man. It is contrary to their culture. It looks to me as though he can't get his breath during the latter part of his free program and finishes on courage alone. The body doesn't respond well to lack of oxygen, no matter how determined you are. I believe that some children outgrow this condition, and I hope he will be one of them.

 

[Violet Bliss]

The histrionics that some people think Hanyu indulges in would be considered shameful by a Japanese man. It is contrary to their culture. It looks to me as though he can't get his breath during the latter part of his free program and finishes on courage alone. The body doesn't respond well to lack of oxygen, no matter how determined you are. I believe that some children outgrow this condition, and I hope he will be one of them.

I think most skaters suffered worse oxygen deprivation at 2011 4CC. When a person is really exhausted, s/he would not think of the dramatics/histrionics. Anyway, from the performance itself, I think Hanyu has improved a lot on his fitness.

 

[Bluebonnet]

Loved Weir's program and the fact that he almost landed the quad. Good for him. He can only go up from here.

I think downgrading is worse than full four revolutions and then fall. It is further from a quad jump. And it's much more difficult to correct than four turns and fall. It means he couldn't do a quad yet. But good for him for trying! Johnny's jump combo 3Lz-2T looked almost not like a combo jump. He had to lift his leg a little higher in order to give it an enough push for the 2T jump.

 

[doctor2014]

I like Javier’s FS. I think his FS is much more well choreographed than his SP. His SP totally shows he can’t dance and he has rigid arms, while the FS is smartly choreographed that hides his weaknesses. The costume and the choreography minimize arm movements and add a lot of comical parts so he can interact with the audience and make them laugh. Javier has pulled comical parts off in the past, so that really help his interpretation in this FS.

But Javier still needs to work on his skating skills—with an ankle injury and exhausted body Hanyu’s skating is already worse than usual, but he still beat Javier on skating skills. Also, Javier’s SS is not that better than Dornbush but gets higher PCS than Dornbush, so Javier is kinda overscored.

Dornbush doesn't really get into a circular position though. It's kinda like be only bends his knees and not his back. I prefer Hanyu's donut spin b/c it's nice and circular

Yes, Dornbush doesn’t really get into a circular “donut” position, so I wouldn’t call that a donut spin. Hanyu indeed has the best donut spin among all men’s skaters.

 

[chuckm]

It's my understanding that Hanyu suffers from asthma, which explains his breathlessness at the end of his free skates. Maybe it isn't pleasant to watch him struggle to breathe, but it's far more unpleasant for him, and there isn't much he can do about it.

Cut the guy a break, folks!

I can remember the nasty criticism Charlie White and Alex Shibutani received at 4CC because of their struggles to breathe at altitude. Turned out both men have asthma too.

 

[colleen o'neill]

/\ Seriously..What I find "unbecoming" are the derogatory comments.

 

[Mrs. P]

When you think about it -- it's pretty amazing that Hanyu has done so much despite the asthma.

 

[Violet Bliss]

I don't think it's a big deal what Yuzuru did at the end of his program. He was tired and had a little fun at a little drama. A little on ice personality from a young skater. It's not a sin or a shame, just a little expressiveness and relief, after an outstanding performance, a successful completion of a demanding program on its debut.

 

[Mao88]

Updated video lists:-

MEN'S LONG PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 248.13
2. Richard DORNBUSH (USA) - 239.99
3. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 235.20
4. Johnny WEIR (USA) - 201.42
5. Zhan BUSH (RUS) - 194.29
6. Misha GE (UZB) - 187.92
7. Kento NAKAMURA (JPN) - 187.42
8. Adrian SCHULTHEISS (SWE) - 177.84
9. Maciej CIEPLUCHA (POL) - 177.82
10. Valtter VIRTANEN (FIN) 151.93
11. Mikael REDIN (SUI) - 146.27
12. Matthias VERSLUIS (FIN) - 144.92
13. Julian LAGUS (FIN) - 134.46
14. Viktor ZUBIK (FIN) - 131.06
15. Samuel KOPPEL (EST) - 118.90

Medal Ceremony

MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 80.77 Short Program
2. Yuzuru HANYU (JPN) - 75.57 Short Program
3. Richard DORNBUSH (USA) - 71.19 Short Program
4. Johnny WEIR (USA) - 69.03 Short Program
5. Zhan BUSH (RUS) - 69.01 Short Program
6. Misha GE (UZB) - 61.32 Short Program
7. Adrian SCHULTHEISS (SWE) - 57.30 Short Program
8. Valtter VIRTANEN (FIN) - 56.81 Short Program
9. Kento NAKAMURA (JPN) - 54.14 Short Program
10. Maciej CIEPLUCHA (POL) - 53.59 Short Program
11. Matthias VERSLUIS (FIN) - 52.71 Short Program
12. Mikael REDIN (SUI) - 47.40 Short Program
13. Julian LAGUS (FIN) - 43.79
14. Viktor ZUBIK (FIN) - 41.53 Short Program
15. Samuel KOPPEL (EST) - 38.20 Short Program

LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Kiira KORPI (FIN) - 69.27 (TES: 36.87, PCS: 32.40)
2. Julia LIPNITSKAYA (RUS) - 64.05 (TES: 35.50, PCS: 28.55)
3. Mirai NAGASU (USA) - 52.75 (TES: 26.20, PCS: 27.55, DED: 1.00)
4. Isabelle OLSSON (SWE) - 51.18 (TES: 27.49, PCS: 23.69)
5. Natalia POPOVA (UKR) - 48.74 (TES: 25.64, PCS: 23.10)
6. Juulia TURKKILA (FIN) - 47.04 (TES: 25.23, PCS: 22.81, DED: 1.00)
7. Sonia LAFUENTE (ESP) - 45.71 (TES: 23.37, PCS: 22.34)
8. Beata PAPP (FIN) - 45.59 (TES: 24.82, PCS: 20.77)
9. Fleur MAXWELL (LUX) - 44.93 (TES: 23.06, PCS: 21.87)
10. Jasmine COSTA (EST) - 42.66 (TES: 23.78, PCS: 19.88, DED: 1.00)
11. Alisa MIKONSAARI (FIN) - 39.54 (TES: 19.20, PCS: 20.34)

SHORT DANCE - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Ekaterina BOBROVA & Dmitri SOLOVIEV (RUS) - 65.44 (TES: 31.66, PCS: 33.78)
2. Anna CAPPELLINI & Luca LANOTTE (ITA) - 64.16 (TES: 31.59, PCS: 32.57)
3. Madison HUBBELL & Zachary DONOHUE (USA) - 58.44 (TES: 28.42, PCS: 30.02)
4. Charlene GUIGNARD & Marco FABBRI (ITA) - 55.64 (TES: 27.42, PCS: 28.22)
5. Irina SHTORK & Taavi RAND (EST) - 50.55 (TES: 26.08, PCS: 24.47)
6. Ramona ELSENER & Florian ROST (SUI) - 44.95 (TES: 23.75, PCS: 21.20)
7. Justyna PLUTOWSKA & Peter GERBER (POL) - 41.62 (TES: 22.42, PCS: 20.20, DED: 1.00)
8. Henna LINDHOLM & Ossi KANERVO (FIN) - 39.98 (TES: 20.95, PCS: 19.03)
9. Bryna OI & Taiyo MIZUTANI (JPN) - 39.14 (TES: 21.59, PCS: 17.55)
10. Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM (FIN) - 36.51 (TES: 17.99, PCS: 18.52)
11. Lesia VOLODENKOVA & Vitaly VAKUNOV (BLR) - 32.19 (TES: 14.17, PCS: 18.02)

 

[blancanieves]

Bits from post skate press conference:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artonice.it%2F%3Fq%3Dit%2Fnode%2F12202

 

[Buttercup]

I think most skaters suffered worse oxygen deprivation at 2011 4CC. When a person is really exhausted, s/he would not think of the dramatics/histrionics.

He has asthma. And Colorado Springs is not the summit of K2. Give it a rest.

Mrs. P is right, Yuzuru's achievements are incredible considering how much his asthma has affected him (he's said in the past that it impacts his training, too). Anyway, seems like the Japanese guys have gotten off to a great start. Japanese Nationals should be fantastic!

 

[Macassar88]

Well I'm surprised that no one's talking about the FD, but Bobrova and Soloviev scored 94.15. (yes yes, I know that the scores have been high, but that's still almost 2 points more than they scored at worlds last season, so I'm glad that the judges are rewarding them for their improvements)

Haven't seen any video yet, I'm not even sure where they are in the comp (like who still has to go)

 

[Mao88]

FREE DANCE RESULT

OVERALL RESULT

1 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 159.71
2 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 158.74
3 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 150.30
4 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 141.06
5 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 129.41
6 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 113.03
7 Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Peter GERBER POL 110.08
8 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 101.73
9 Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM FIN 95.12
10 Bryna OI / Taiyo MIZUTANI JPN 94.13
11 Lesia VOLODENKOVA / Vitaly VAKUNOV BLR 86.93

FREE DANCE SCORES

1 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 94.58 44.35 50.23 8.21 8.17 8.63 8.58 8.46 0.00
2 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 94.15 42.66 51.49 8.58 8.29 8.79 8.75 8.71 0.00
3 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 91.86 44.15 47.71 7.79 7.67 8.29 8.13 8.13 0.00
4 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 85.42 41.16 44.26 7.33 7.13 7.58 7.58 7.46 0.00
5 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 78.86 42.13 36.73 6.21 5.88 6.17 6.38 6.13 0.00
6 Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Peter GERBER POL 68.46 35.71 32.75 5.50 5.21 5.54 5.63 5.58 0.00
7 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 68.08 33.85 35.23 6.00 5.46 6.21 5.96 6.00 1.00
8 Henna LINDHOLM / Ossi KANERVO FIN 61.75 33.67 29.08 4.96 4.67 5.04 4.92 4.75 1.00
9 Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM FIN 58.61 31.64 26.97 4.50 4.33 4.67 4.71 4.38 0.00
10 Bryna OI / Taiyo MIZUTANI JPN 54.99 30.59 25.40 4.21 4.08 4.25 4.58 4.17 1.00
11 Lesia VOLODENKOVA / Vitaly VAKUNOV BLR 54.74 28.82 26.92 4.67 4.38 4.58 4.58 4.25 1.00

 

[Macassar88]

Well Capellini and Lanotte win the FD but Bobrova and Soloviev's lead in the SD kept them ahead. Bobrova and Soloviev also won in PCS in the FD
Hopefully videos show up soon - from practice videos, I've seen that Zhulin still hasn't sorted out the whole hair thing in their second to last lift, and I hope he does by the GP season because it looks really weird for her to be doing her hair in the end of the dance.

 

[Macassar88]

http://www.figureskatingresults.fi/results/1213/FT2012/FT2012_IceDance_FD_Scores.pdf
Protocols are up!

One of the big differences between CL and BS was their grade of execution - CL only had a half point more base score, but they got a bunch of 3's in GOE and had no zeros whereas BS had a -1 and some zeroes and no 3's
BS messed up their twizzles and a lift getting level two for both of them
In terms of steps, BS actually had higher levels than CL.

BS won every component in PCS (just like in the SD)

 

[Mao88]

LADIES LONG PROGRAM - STARTING ORDER

Warm-Up Group 1

1 Beata PAPP FIN 8 45.59
2 Jasmine COSTA EST 10 42.66
3 Fleur MAXWELL LUX 9 44.93
4 Sonia LAFUENTE ESP 7 45.71
5 Alisa MIKONSAARI FIN 11 39.54

Warm-Up Group 2

6 Natalia POPOVA UKR 5 48.74
7 Mirai NAGASU USA 3 52.75
8 Isabelle OLSSON SWE 4 51.18
9 Juulia TURKKILA FIN 6 47.04
10 Kiira KORPI FIN 1 69.27
11 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 2 64.05

The competition has now started

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Well I'm surprised that no one's talking about the FD, but Bobrova and Soloviev scored 94.15. (yes yes, I know that the scores have been high, but that's still almost 2 points more than they scored at worlds last season, so I'm glad that the judges are rewarding them for their improvements)

Haven't seen any video yet, I'm not even sure where they are in the comp (like who still has to go)

It's still less than what they scored at CoC (and less than W/P at Nepala, if we're making comparisons).