I do not confuse anything - it is both simulation and animation. Simulation - because it shows how these jumps should be done and animation - because it is a computer animation. And you do not know much about technology If you really think these are from the 60s.Ha-ha-ha, I'm really laughing right now. I do numerical methods and it always amuses me how people who are far from this confuse “simulation” and “animation”. This is animation my dear not a simulation You can draw anything, it's not relevant. It’s just a convenient, simplified, educational animation.
Yea? But I’m really interested is why prer over 90 degrees is a bad technique, and less 90 it is a good one?
What is the basis of your belief that the prer makes it easier to jump? Maybe so, but who said it? Has anyone researched it? Famous figure skaters said - "I did with prer and without, with prer was much easier, almost like a double" ? Can you give a link to this?
I do not confuse anything - it is both simulation and animation. Simulation - because it shows how these jumps should be done and animation - because it is a computer animation. And you do not know much about technology If you really think these are from the 60s.
But I’m really interested is why prer over 90 degrees is a bad technique, and less 90 it is a good one?
What is the basis of your belief that the prer makes it easier to jump? Maybe so, but who said it? Has anyone researched it? Famous figure skaters said - "I did with prer and without, with prer was much easier, almost like a double" ? Can you give a link to this?
LOL Full blade. Do people who actually talk about proper jump tecnhique skate or jump? Or did they just watch some videos on youtube and read rules and decided it suddenly made them experts, qualified to talk about jump technique?
nobody:
literally no one:
not a single soul in the skating world:
not the skaters or coaches themselves:
not the judges:
not even the ISU:
skating fan keyboard warriors: LOOK AT THAT PREROTATION AND FULL BLADE TAKEOFF
nobody:
literally no one:
not a single soul in the skating world:
not the skaters or coaches themselves:
not the judges:
not even the ISU:
skating fan keyboard warriors: LOOK AT THAT PREROTATION AND FULL BLADE TAKEOFF
You know what action I would like this to open? Judges consider landing to evaluate a jump, which is fine. But they should also consider the take-off. So many skaters rotate half a turn less just in the take-off. What is fair? And what is not?
Thank you. This is exactly what these little girls from Russia do. If they want to win - fine, but not in this way.
Thank you. This is exactly what these little girls from Russia do. If they want to win - fine, but not in this way.
Of course, they are not the only ones - many skaters from USA, Canada, Japan, Korea and Italy do the same thing.
Rarely there are skaters who have proper technique. That is why this problem is rarely talk about.
So, i'd like to ask adepts of the proper technique, where do you get this "90 prerotation" "full-blade assist" from ?
I do not understand why there is no link in the thread to the handbook or something like that.
I mean i found the handbook for tech panel and i don't see these words in it
Italian former figure skater Angelo Dolfini and Italian commentator Massimiliano Ambesi spoke about full blade take off as well. Check them on You Tube.they arKe made up fan terms to justify "bad technique." They aren't in the handbook or anywhere else because they aren't a part of judging or learning a jump, and never have been. they are mainly discussed by those who don't understand jump mechanics.
they are made up terms to justify "bad technique." They aren't in the handbook or anywhere else because they aren't a part of judging or learning a jump, and never have been. they are mainly discussed by those who don't understand jump mechanics.
Italian former figure skater Angelo Dolfini and Italian commentator Massimiliano Ambesi spoke about full blade take off as well. Check them on You Tube.
The last time I am speaking to you and wasting my time.
Have you actually tried a jump before with a full blade? And compared it without?
Haven't seen Joannie Rochette mentioned and she's the one who immediately came to my mind. All of the triples with correct technique, including the lutz. And she was skating at a time when there was a lot of totally unpunished flutzing going on.
uh, sure...i skated competitively for 13 years so i suppose i can say i've been around the block. i'm sure i tried something "full bladed" before while messing around, but i'm not really sure why it's relevant to the discussion. even edge jumps are taken off the pick, not the blade.
as i've said before, it's the nature of jumping and motion and speed and rotation that your weight shifts "backward" or it looks "full blade" as you lift into the air and begin rotation. this is jump mechanics, it's just how it works. some skaters do it more than others but this has nothing to do with how they were taught or something they're trying to do to cheat the jump. it happens too quickly to try to control, and every one is different in how they jump. they're human, not robots. it's just part of the jump and shifting of weight.
i wouldn't expect anyone who never skated or even did it recreationally to understand, which is why i'm trying to explain. i can speak from many, many years of experience of doing it myself and being taught, competing, volunteer judging, coaching others, etc. i'm not speaking from a place of only watching youtube videos and observing from afar.