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.. or a Starbucks card..
Odd fact. Two of the most promising U.S. ladies of the early 2000s, Jenny Kirk and Naomi Nari Nam, paid for their coaching by working as waitresses at Starbucks. :yes:
.. or a Starbucks card..
Sotskova's also doing alright and she's 18 years old soon, also.
I don't think the balance between TES and PCS should be adjusted. PCS is subjective and low quality technical performances win because of overblown PCS, and also I think results like that would cause the general public to tune out of this sport.
Carolina Kostner, I love the girl, but there were several times when PCS got her a podium spot when she only landed 2 or 3 clean triple
TAT about Trusova in the end of video:
I agree about Carolina, but that's another example of unbalanced TES/PCS, but going the other way.
Sometimes I wish there were separate medals for PCS and TES, in addition to the overall medal. I know there are asons why we shouldn't do that, bug dammi
Simple formula for rewarding balanced programs: TSS = PCS + TES minus 30% of difference between PCS and TES.
Some way of penalizing too big differences. Just an idea...
This is kind of in the spirit of the realignment in the IJS generally. In 6.0, it was 50% tech, 50% performance. It was rare that there was a big difference, because the judges could just make it come out approximately even if they wanted to.
In the IJS, it is 50% tech (base values plus GOE), 30% presentation (choreography, interpretation and presentation), and 20% overall skating (SS and TR). When someone like Kostner gets higher PCS than TES, it is in part because she is a better ice skater (a technical category), not just because of being graceful and performing an emotionally and esthetically satisfying program.
Conversely, a big jumper who also has good skating skills and transitions won't be too far off, even if her artistry is immature.
It all comes down to TES (tangible) plus PCS (intangible). Something that can be measured by a meter vs. something that is in judges' heads as "presentation".
Welcoming the winners in Moscow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgPvBgfiVk
TAT about Trusova in the end of video:
"the little girl, Sasha Trusova, conquered the world, because she's fearless and professional jumping two quads in one skate, it's the level of 5-6th place of senior men at Worlds."
It's tricky, though. The TES includes GOE which is largely "in the judges' heads." The PSCs includes things like speed and ice coverage which can be measured objectively.
For Zagitova it's really 2 years with one OGM at the end. I really hope it will continue, but right now it's just 2 years.
Nevertheless, the question is very valid. What career is better? Short with a grand slam, or a long one with secondary prizes?
Are you really saying Sarah Hughes's career is more valuable than that of Carolina Costner or Michelle Kwan's? Or even Ashley Wagner's?
I really like what is happening in the Russian figure skating, as for me it's a return to their glorious USSR past. However, for the ladies it's getting a bit too extreme and I am finding myself really detached from all those meteoric Russian kids who disappear even faster than they appear.
That's the reason why I state that Evgenia's OGM would have been more beneficial for FS's image and interest than Alina's.
Imagine that Evgenia is going through a rapid body change, as she is way overdue with that now. In a normal country she would struggle internationally for a season or two, but then with a hard work she would have a chance for a comeback. In Russia she has no chance with all those countless Trusovas and Kostornaias, not mentioning Zagitovas. Once she is gone then she is gone.
Where are you when Tara Lipninski won over Michelle Kwan? :dance2:Another thing is that I am really hoping for some age requirements, so that figure skating will not turn into children jumping contest.
Yeah, but Kwan got her money mainly from endorsements (and not necessarily her achievements in the sport), and she still had to pay her coaches.
It's vastly different. When Alena Leonova won the silver, the Russian fed had rented her an apartment.
The USFS didn't pay for Wagner's rent when she won - and yes, that makes a difference.
Just listen to Adam Rippon talking about the struggle of financing.
It would be a question to ask Kwan if she would trade her last two or three years of amateur skating for a triple-triple and an Olympic gold in Nagano. If my career were 10 years long and I never won a gold medal I would totally give half of that for Olympic glory or adding my name to the history books.
Interview with Daniil, mostly about Trusova
7) They think Kostornaya also has a good chance of jumping quads/3A, Daniil says on the floor she jumps higher than any of their girls, may be even higher than boys too. Right after she went off the ice at JWC she said "We will learn quads when we come home".