For me the main question is - does ladies single skating need quads at all?
Does mens?
For me the main question is - does ladies single skating need quads at all?
For me the main question is - does ladies single skating need quads at all?
Those quads count, but they just don't impress me as much as if an 18 year old would do it. That would really really really impress me.
For me the main question is - does ladies single skating need quads at all?
Those quads count, but they just don't impress me as much as if an 18 year old would do it. That would really really really impress me.
Why do you think that it wouldn't impress me, if Tursynbaeva would do a quad in competition? That would impress me, I assure you. I don't see it, that's why it would impress me even more. I like that skaters can do well even if they are tall in figure skating, that you don't need a certain height to be competitive, so basketball isn't the best comparison imo.If Tursynbayeva did quad will it impress you? I guess not. So I think the impressiveness is not at the age but the quality and athletic ability (height, distance). It's like saying I'm not impressed by a 2m basketball player's dunk I want to see a 1.60 player to dunk.
18 was in reference to mooncat's post. I would say post puberty.Why not 17 or 16? 17 Years, 6 months, 90 days? Why is 18 the magic number? What's the guarantee that someone won't instead, at 18, say "oh, that's great, but now let's see if she can do it at 19, though."?
Why do you think that it wouldn't impress me, if Tursynbaeva would do a quad in competition? That would impress me, I assure you. I don't see it, that's why it would impress me even more. I like that skaters can do well even if they are tall in figure skating, that you don't need a certain height to be competitive, so basketball isn't the best comparison imo.
Does mens?
This is definitely a debate to be focusing on still. Men are considered better at jumping in general. Technical developments in jumping are great, but what about harder spins or spirals, things that men simply can't do to the same quality (at least for the most part)? There have been very few women who have jumped to the same quality/better than men, just as there have been very few men who have spun/spiraled to the same quality as women. Why push technical quality in only one of those directions across both fields?
Why do you think that it wouldn't impress me, if Tursynbaeva would do a quad in competition? That would impress me, I assure you. I don't see it, that's why it would impress me even more. I like that skaters can do well even if they are tall in figure skating, that you don't need a certain height to be competitive, so basketball isn't the best comparison imo.
Well, I always see the jump and the athlete at the same time. There's not one without the other. A girl looks like a girl, not like a woman. Athletic girls seem to have enedless energy, stamina and are able to rotate very fast. Women really have to rely on good technique, because they don't have those advantages.Then, I don't see why the age is such a big of a factor? If some girl or boy can jump for example at their fifteen a quad with 80cm height and a 20 year old a quad with 60cm then I will consider the former more impressive. But, OK everyone looking for different things...
But I also like to watch girls skate, that's not the point. I'm just not that impressed, when they do those difficult jump, because it's simply easier for them.
I'm not stopping you.But we can say "men are usually better at jumping, so jumps are not that impressive for them". What's stopping us?
Well, I always see the jump and the athlete at the same time. There's not one without the other. A girl looks like a girl, not like a woman. Athletic girls seem to have enedless energy, stamina and are able to rotate very fast. Women really have to rely on good technique, because they don't have those advantages.
But I also like to watch girls skate, that's not the point. I'm just not that impressed, when they do those difficult jump, because it's simply easier for them.
Well, I always see the jump and the athlete at the same time. There's not one without the other. A girl looks like a girl, not like a woman. Athletic girls seem to have enedless energy, stamina and are able to rotate very fast. Women really have to rely on good technique, because they don't have those advantages.
But I also like to watch girls skate, that's not the point. I'm just not that impressed, when they do those difficult jump, because it's simply easier for them.
I don't understand what you mean. I didn't write that it's easier for girls to do quads than for men ... I wrote that it's easier for girls than it is for women. That's a major difference. And, right now, we don't have a single women who does even one quad in competition.we see with the men that a large number of them do quads with technique that isn't perfect. if it was easier for little girls to do quads then all of them should be landing quads consistently in competition, instead we only have 2 (maybe even just sasha since anna has been kinda inconsistent).
technique might help them keep quads and it might not, there have been ladies with perfect jumps that lose them and ladies with "bad" technique who are still competitive for a long time. keeping quads is hard but from watching the men it seems like there isn't too much of a connection with technique and quads. obviously the technique cant be abysmal but neither sasha or anna have horrible technique
I didn't say that it was easy. I'm quite certain that it isn't. And I don't discard the fact that those girls are very good. But we'll only know that they are really great, if they're still able to do all those jumps in 2-3 years. Let's wait and see.I already said my opinion on the rotation and how I would like the BV to be calculated. But, in my example with a 80cm vs 60cm, I don't think the 80cm quad jump is easier because you are younger. Not it's not easy. That requires a lot of talent. You are discarding the possibility someone to be good in young age.
You look also to correlate athletic to being slim. Athletic girls for me are for example Tyktamecheva, Wakaba, Tomoe but also skaters like Trusova, Tarakanova... It's about the actual ability to do something "big", rather than the body type.