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I think part of the discussion here is that we all understand the Zayak rule differently. What made me create this thread was my new understanding of the Zayak. I thought like some of you did that only 11 jumps were possible in the seven allowed jumping passes. Gkelly posted with this understanding. 4 jumps without combo, 2 two-jump combos and 1 three jump combo. This is not the case. This is just what most skaters are doing right now. Some other rule besides Zayak limits you to seven jumping passes but it doesn't specify limitation in those jumping passes like this. However, the Zayak rule states that you can only attempt a triple twice in one program to receive their full value. In the FS, you can do as many doubles as you want. I think the short is different starting this year regarding doubles. Let's stick with the FS. You can attempt the same triple jump twice and AT LEAST one of those has to be in combination. This doesn't prevent you from doing both attempts in combination. The key word here is AT LEAST. Also, you could do it a third time if you wanted but if you do you receive 70% of the base value. So I am sticking with my previous max base value of 77.2 based on these 7 jumping passes. You could increase them slightly by adding 2Lo to the end of each pass bumping up the total base value by (7 * 1.3) = 9.1 but now we have gone from unlikely passes to highly unlikely passes.
3lz+3t = 6 + 4.3 = 10.3
3lz+3t = 6 + 4.3 = 10.3
3f+3lo = 5.3 + 5.1 = 10.4
3f+3lo = 5.3 + 5.1 = 10.4
3S+2lo = 4.4 + 1.8 = 6.2
3S+2lo = 4.4 + 1.8 = 6.2
2a+2lo = 3.3 + 1.8 = 5.1
No, gkelly is right. The program you suggest Zayaks all over the place. One of the Zayak rules is that only 2 different triple jumps can be repeated, irrespective of other considerations. If you repeat the 3Lz and the 3F then you cannot repeat any other triple jumps at all, whether in combination or not.
In the layout above you repeated the 3Lz and the triple toe in the first two passes. In pass number 4, you cannot repeat a 3F OR a 3Lo, never mind both.