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Liza´s lutz, flip axel, loop, toe, salchow... all jumps are huge°
Thank you very much for sharing this wonderful clip. But one question: why Yuna got the edg call in 2013 SP?
I think your lip takes you out of this convo, tbh.
Ahahaha. Just kidding.
Yagudin probably had the best jump technique overall. All of his jumps were big/huge, fully rotated in the air, on correct edges, not tilted, and flowed out on the landing.
I was impressed by Anna's 14worlds LP, especially her lutz, with explosive speed and power. However,when I watched her lutz slow-mo, I discovered that her toe-picking is a little weird. it seems rolled on-to a full blade before launching, whereas classic lutz toe-pick is usually straight down and pulls in.
So I wanna discuss about the toe-pick technique in toe jumps, is using blade to launch toe jumps a proper way to do it, example: Anna's Lutz, Plushenko's lutz(seems touch ice using right outside edge) and Adelina's 3T (rolls on full blade).
Overlay of Kim Yu-Na's SP and FS triple flips at the 2013 World's.
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Yagudin's jumps were big, that's about it. He relied on his height to get the jumps around.
Uh, any good technique "relies" on height to get jumps around. That's what jumps are. You go up.
Then, who do you think, among these current skaters, have best quality on jumps? PChan? Javi or Dennis Ten?Even in his era, Plushenko, Urmanov, Goebel, and others had much better jump mechanics than Yagudin. He doesn't even belong on the list, IMO.
You don't need more height to do harder jumps, necessarily. We know this from video analysis and more current technology, that instead of jumping higher, the chances of getting a quad around is increased more if you pull in tighter and rotate faster. This is why Timothy Goebel was more consistent with his quads than Yagudin, despite the fact that Yagudin jumped much higher. He was more efficient in the air than Yagudin was and was better at pulling his jumps in quicker and snapping into the rotation. Bigger/Higher does not automatically = better.
Then, who do you think, among these current skaters, have best quality on jumps? PChan? Javi or Dennis Ten?
They're all good. I think Patrick Chan is near the top for jump quality when he hits them. Plushenko's jumps are obviously still good and he gets some fabulous extension on his (held) landings out of many of them. Machida, Hanyu, and Fernandez are all good.
TBQH, most of the top men have great technique on their jumps. It's just a matter of whether or not they land them or have mistakes. Men, overall, tend to display a higher average level of technical proficiency than the women because they are stronger and don't tend to have to fight for the rotations as much. I'm speaking generally.
They're all good. I think Patrick Chan is near the top for jump quality when he hits them. Plushenko's jumps are obviously still good and he gets some fabulous extension on his (held) landings out of many of them. Machida, Hanyu, and Fernandez are all good.
TBQH, most of the top men have great technique on their jumps. It's just a matter of whether or not they land them or have mistakes. Men, overall, tend to display a higher average level of technical proficiency than the women because they are stronger and don't tend to have to fight for the rotations as much. I'm speaking generally.
For the women, it's hard to say...
On one hand, it's hard to find a woman who has a true lutz and a true flip. On the other hand, the one great skater we know with both can't even consistently do a Triple Loop in competition. Kostner fits that bill, though.
So, if I had to settle for some in-built flaws, I'd say Polina Edmunds, Adelina Sotnikova, and Carolina Kostner have some of the better technique out there for the ladies.
If there is some phenom coming up that I haven't heard of or seen then forgive me.
Not sure I would include Adelina in that list. Adelina's technique is not bad, but not really commendable. She gets her height and jumps from her talent mostly, I feel, and not from "proper" technique. Her take off and landing positions are quite awkward and she does have a flutz. I'd say Carolina has the best technique, although it doesn't always translate into flawless jumps.
Oh! and So Youn P. showed some pretty good technique at worlds. I wish she'd do her 3-turn and go immediately into her flip though.
What about the difference when we watch skater perform in life and through video? As I have mentioned in my post above. A poster told us, when she watched live, some jumps do not have same impression of height as we watch on video.EDIT: Nevermind, your reply makes sense now.
What about the difference when we watch skater perform in life and through video? As I have mentioned in my post above. A poster told us, when she watched live, some jumps do not have same impression of height as we watch on video.
She said some skaters' jumps look impressive through video but in real life, not so much, such as Yan Han or Machida. And some skaters' jumps look even better in live such as PChan and Hanyu. I am very curious about this matter. Have you experienced familiar cases?
Sorry, I am curious because you seem to be very knowledgable when it comes to jumps. I know there are different techniques for each skaters because they have different body types. But I think techniques also affect the height and the looks of the jumps. Or sometimes it depends on the skater's strength only? Like you said Yagudin's jumps are up and down and they look good because of his strength and body type. Since you are talking about mechanics of the jumps only then I am sorry for misunderstanding.We're talking about jump mechanics, not someone's opinion on how impressive they look on video vs in real life.
Sorry, I am curious because you seem to be very knowledgable when it comes to jumps. I know there are different techniques for each skaters because they have different body types. But I think techniques also affect the height and the looks of the jumps. Or sometimes it depends on the skater's strength only? Like you said Yagudin's jumps are up and down and they look good because of his strength and body type. Since you are talking about mechanics of the jumps only then I am sorry for misunderstanding.