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Why there have been so many wrong calls for the Flip?

CanadianSkaterGuy

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 25, 2013
A flat is hit with a (!) for a lutz. It's a "clearly incorrect" way of the lutz, to my understanding. Would you like it to be hit with an (e)?

A flat is an unclear edge - which means the edge isn't what it's supposed to be (so yes, it's not incorrect), but it also isn't egregiously wrong (as in going obviously on the inside edge) either.

Since it's not clearly the correct edge, a ! is applied, which does not reduce BV but does signal to the judges to reflect it in the GOE (which is fine, because true lutzers/flippers should be distinguished by those who don't exhibit a clear, correct edge). And, since it's not clearly an incorrect edge, it doesn't get the "e" call either.

Here's the Technical Handbook that outlines it (page 15): https://www.isu.org/inside-single-p...2/17595-tp-handbook-pair-skating-2018-19/file

e.g. Lutz
no call = clear outside edge (no deduction)
! = unclear edge (GOE hit; which makes sense since the execution was not ideal)
e = clear inside (wrong) edge (BV reduction + GOE hit, because the jump is wrong and the execution is also wrong as such, moreso than just having an unclear edge).

The ! is pretty much acknowledging that there are many skaters in-between who don't have a perfect edge technique but they shouldn't be hit as hard as someone who has very poor edge technique on a jump. Seems like for the longest time this was mainly due to flutzing being much more prominent (I mean, people barely even used the word "lip" - listen to commentary and whatnot; especially pre-IJS you'd never hear of edge calls on flip jumps), but seems they're being cracked down.

For flips, IMO, the best a skater can do is to try to ensure their entry edge is clearly an inside edge so that when they take off they're already on an inside edge. If the lead-in, entry edge after the 3-turn/mohawk ends up actually being an outside edge, there's the risk of a tech specialist calling it an unclear edge (!) upon takeoff. Which is fair. As TSL would say, hold the edge - not, switch to the edge last second and hope the tech specialist regards the couple frames where you've switched over onto the proper edge as a clearly inside takeoff.
 

asiacheetah

On the Ice
Joined
Feb 15, 2017
This year:
Lz calls: 11 calls for men and 30 calls for ladies
F calls: 29 calls for men and 45 calls for ladies
Ratio: for each Lz call, men got 4.5 F calls and ladies got 1.5 F calls

Last year:
Lz calls: 7 calls for men and 24 calls for ladies
F calls: 50 calls for men and 33 calls for ladies
Ratio: for each Lz call, men got 3.4 F calls and ladies got 0.7 F calls

Is it possible to get a percentage for overall number of Lutz performed versus Flips? I always though more people performed Lutz then Men. Ladies usually performed both to maximize their BVs, but I thought Men don't always if they have multiple quads.
 
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