Wow, really? That's so sad. But given the way Nikita behaved toward Vika after he dropped her, it does seem like he's less able to work as a team. If that's truly the case (always hard to know for sure from the outside) then I'm really glad she's in a better situation now.
2014-2015 GPF Free Dance 12/13
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Wow, really? That's so sad. But given the way Nikita behaved toward Vika after he dropped her, it does seem like he's less able to work as a team. If that's truly the case (always hard to know for sure from the outside) then I'm really glad she's in a better situation now.
I think you need to watch it again, because that is just out-and-out false. This program is chalk full of difficult behind the back holds throughout. The intricacy of it is one of its strengths.
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I think possibly there was tension between them for some time. People are never at their best in a situation with too much tension. I like her better with Ruslan. I also think Ruslan is better-looking now that he skates with Elena
Yes! He gets more and more handsome every time we see him.
I have reviewed I/Z so many times and oh boy, I think I'm in love. They are on the verge of something special. I love their ability to capture tenderness AND passion so believably on ice
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I have reviewed I/Z so many times and oh boy, I think I'm in love. They are on the verge of something special. I love their ability to capture tenderness AND passion so believably on ice
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1- Ruslena Forever!
2. Judge Number 8 sucks.
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That's the DASH tours tour ghide. He dles that at every event if he can.
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I think it might be because this season is like a dream for her--it started out as a nightmare after she and Nikita split, then it changed when she partnered up with Ruslan. I think they never expected to make it to the GPF or medal at a GP event, so perhaps her good mood is because they're on a minor roll.
Yes, but even when Ruslan made some mistakes in the SD, she was very supportive toward him, so her good mod isn't just because they're on a roll. I think this partnership is just better for her emotionally.
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Guess game, which country judge number 8 was from?
I looked again Papadakis/Cizeron's twizzles and I think -1 judge is right. They lost unison all three sets. According to ISU rules that means no higher than -1.
First set:http://imgur.com/kHs0tap
Second set:http://imgur.com/RNDxBSG,344uELz
Third set:http://imgur.com/RNDxBSG,344uELz#1
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Guess game, which country judge number 8 was from?
Nationalism is poison. It is poisoning this sport and slowly killing it off.
Something to think about.
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Don't forget Elena didn't kill Katsalapov after 2014 Worlds SD
True, but we don't know how close she came to doing so...
Comparison of Component score:
Skating Skills: Overall skating quality, edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a command of the skating vocabulary (edges, steps, turns etc.), the clarity of technique and the use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed. Varied use of power/energy, speed and acceleration.
1. W&P 9.25 points,
2. C&B 8.71 points,
3. P&C 8.57 points,
4. S&S 8.46 points,
5. I&Z 8.39 points,
6. G&P 8.11 points
SD Skating Skills: W&P 8.96 points, C&B and S&S 8.39 points, I&Z 8.07 points, P&C 7.96 points, G&P 7.86 points
Usually at every competition Skating Skills in FD are higher than Skating Skills in SD, don’t ask me why, but probably because through the night all skaters improved their edge and flow quality…
But maybe there is an opinion that skating longer program shows that the skater is more capable of good skating, who knows.
Edge quality and flow is the best in case of I&Z, followed by W&P, then bigger distance and C&B, then P&C and S&S, far behind them G&P (I would give about 0.75 – 1.00 lower then they got).
Skating Skills: Overall skating quality, edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a command of the skating vocabulary (edges, steps, turns etc.), the clarity of technique and the use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed. Varied use of power/energy, speed and acceleration.
1. W&P 9.25 points,
2. C&B 8.71 points,
3. P&C 8.57 points,
4. S&S 8.46 points,
5. I&Z 8.39 points,
6. G&P 8.11 points
SD Skating Skills: W&P 8.96 points, C&B and S&S 8.39 points, I&Z 8.07 points, P&C 7.96 points, G&P 7.86 points
Usually at every competition Skating Skills in FD are higher than Skating Skills in SD, don’t ask me why, but probably because through the night all skaters improved their edge and flow quality…
But maybe there is an opinion that skating longer program shows that the skater is more capable of good skating, who knows.
Edge quality and flow is the best in case of I&Z, followed by W&P, then bigger distance and C&B, then P&C and S&S, far behind them G&P (I would give about 0.75 – 1.00 lower then they got).
Transitions: The varied and/or intricate footwork, positions, movements and holds that link all elements, including the entrances and exits of those elements.
1. W&P 9.18 points,
2. P&C 8.50 points,
3. C&B 8.39 points,
4. S&S 8.07 points,
5. I&Z 8.04 points,
6. G&P 7.79 points
I already made a comparison of Transitions in another Thread:
The result is that all couple are doing the same steps – three turns, single Twizzle, Mohawks…
W&P – some Waltz and Killian holds, many interesting variations with Hand-in-Hand hold skating close together, many hoops and little jumps.
C&B – some Waltz and Killian holds, some holds in a style of Waltz and Tango hold. From all couples they have the most dance holds in Transitions.
P&C – something is happening all the time which is great – every second is fulfilled… but many two-footed skating – from overall time in Transitions which is 1:53 – two-footed skating takes 46 seconds, many little jumps and hoops and toe-picks, so for real skating and edge work – there is not much space.
I&Z – some close holds, but dance hold – Waltz and Killian - only some second before Step Sequences, two variations of Hand-in-Hand hold, the rest in simple Hand-in-Hand hold with almost straight arms.
G&P – enough Waltz holds, also some Killian holds, looks to be many cross-overs.
S&S – some Waltz holds, but many many hand-in-hand holds with both arms straight, so the distance between partners is big thanks to it.
1. W&P 9.18 points,
2. P&C 8.50 points,
3. C&B 8.39 points,
4. S&S 8.07 points,
5. I&Z 8.04 points,
6. G&P 7.79 points
I already made a comparison of Transitions in another Thread:
The result is that all couple are doing the same steps – three turns, single Twizzle, Mohawks…
W&P – some Waltz and Killian holds, many interesting variations with Hand-in-Hand hold skating close together, many hoops and little jumps.
C&B – some Waltz and Killian holds, some holds in a style of Waltz and Tango hold. From all couples they have the most dance holds in Transitions.
P&C – something is happening all the time which is great – every second is fulfilled… but many two-footed skating – from overall time in Transitions which is 1:53 – two-footed skating takes 46 seconds, many little jumps and hoops and toe-picks, so for real skating and edge work – there is not much space.
I&Z – some close holds, but dance hold – Waltz and Killian - only some second before Step Sequences, two variations of Hand-in-Hand hold, the rest in simple Hand-in-Hand hold with almost straight arms.
G&P – enough Waltz holds, also some Killian holds, looks to be many cross-overs.
S&S – some Waltz holds, but many many hand-in-hand holds with both arms straight, so the distance between partners is big thanks to it.
Choreography: An intentional, developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of proportion, unity, space, pattern, structure and phrasing.
1. W&P 9.43 points,
2. C&B 9.00 points,
3. P&C 8.89 points,
4. S&S 8.50 points,
5. I&Z 8.43 points,
6. G&P 8.29 points
Weaver & Poje have the best choreography. The rest four couples (C&B, S&S, I&Z and G&P) are visibly worse in this point. G&P have the most dancy choreography from those four couples.
I have a little problem how to judge Papadakis & Cizeron’s FD choreography – it looks to be a wonderful and innovative dance, but the more times I am watching it, the more it looks to be wonderful and innovative, but not really the dance. Like many other couples young French choose a love story to be presented on the ice (or at least I saw a love story there). So the choreography should express love and it should express the music.
During the dance there are multiple hugs with arms around partners body (hugs people are doing in real life), hugging with arms around partner‘s head and touches partner’s face – I agree that those are love gestures taken from real life or from movie. But I also think that love and tender feelings can be interpreted in many more ways than using simple hugs only – we are in dancing cathegory, they should use more variety of movements, they should use skating and dancing in the same time – incorporate it all together. Also most of these hugs executed by French team are done in two-feet parts, so in these moment I have a feeling that the dance stopped and there is a break for hugs – they look like two actors on the stage, not two dancers skating on the ice… and then they again start to show some skating – so the dance continues, but then another two-feet and hugs – and I have a feeling that the dance stopped once again.
I remember that many couples were using love story and tender feelings, but I don’t remeber anybody who would use so small variety of dance and skating movements to show those feelings.
Virtue & Moir 2008 FD – watch this choreography, sure there some “real hugs“ also, but there are many and many other movements which certainly shows that the couple is in love. And both Tessa and Scott are skating and dancing for the whole dance, no “break for hugs“ parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ-jD1RMbIM
The same with Virtue & Moir 2010 FD - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si51Mch1zds .
I know that comparison with Virtue & Moir is tough, but looking at GOE and Component score the French couple is able to get, getting over 100 points even with lower Levels… it is visible that the couple will win European Gold medal even with some stumbles and maybe even with one fall the score will be high enough. Which means that they will be role models for many couples next year…which means that we will suddenly have some junior couples and some senior couples doing multiple hugs staying in two feet in their programs in an attempt to show “real tender feelings“ like French are doing – the quality of skating and dancing will suffer thanks to it.
1. W&P 9.43 points,
2. C&B 9.00 points,
3. P&C 8.89 points,
4. S&S 8.50 points,
5. I&Z 8.43 points,
6. G&P 8.29 points
Weaver & Poje have the best choreography. The rest four couples (C&B, S&S, I&Z and G&P) are visibly worse in this point. G&P have the most dancy choreography from those four couples.
I have a little problem how to judge Papadakis & Cizeron’s FD choreography – it looks to be a wonderful and innovative dance, but the more times I am watching it, the more it looks to be wonderful and innovative, but not really the dance. Like many other couples young French choose a love story to be presented on the ice (or at least I saw a love story there). So the choreography should express love and it should express the music.
During the dance there are multiple hugs with arms around partners body (hugs people are doing in real life), hugging with arms around partner‘s head and touches partner’s face – I agree that those are love gestures taken from real life or from movie. But I also think that love and tender feelings can be interpreted in many more ways than using simple hugs only – we are in dancing cathegory, they should use more variety of movements, they should use skating and dancing in the same time – incorporate it all together. Also most of these hugs executed by French team are done in two-feet parts, so in these moment I have a feeling that the dance stopped and there is a break for hugs – they look like two actors on the stage, not two dancers skating on the ice… and then they again start to show some skating – so the dance continues, but then another two-feet and hugs – and I have a feeling that the dance stopped once again.
I remember that many couples were using love story and tender feelings, but I don’t remeber anybody who would use so small variety of dance and skating movements to show those feelings.
Virtue & Moir 2008 FD – watch this choreography, sure there some “real hugs“ also, but there are many and many other movements which certainly shows that the couple is in love. And both Tessa and Scott are skating and dancing for the whole dance, no “break for hugs“ parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ-jD1RMbIM
The same with Virtue & Moir 2010 FD - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si51Mch1zds .
I know that comparison with Virtue & Moir is tough, but looking at GOE and Component score the French couple is able to get, getting over 100 points even with lower Levels… it is visible that the couple will win European Gold medal even with some stumbles and maybe even with one fall the score will be high enough. Which means that they will be role models for many couples next year…which means that we will suddenly have some junior couples and some senior couples doing multiple hugs staying in two feet in their programs in an attempt to show “real tender feelings“ like French are doing – the quality of skating and dancing will suffer thanks to it.
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