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I am talking about the many comments here that, e.g. Gubanova deserves higher PCS than xy because she "rotated all her jumps fully" etc. - arguments that not only do I not agree with - I am not seeing the basis for this in the bullet points of the PCS.
Also there is for instance no bullet point for literally taken storytelling - yet I have now seen that being brought up by several posters as something negative if a skater doesn't do / positive if a skater does it: ~ "but now it is only lyrical interpretation of the music".
Then of course jumping difficult elements is a huge factor outside of Russia as well. Big jumps influence PCS massively. Still, I have yet, in the aftermath of the '22 Olympics, which seems to me to value "artistic" skaters a bit more than before, to see internationally something like Samarin getting high 9s, Gumennik getting called underscored with PCS of 9s, and Dikidhzi with an absolutely bland program, visible struggles in his very slow step sequence (you can see how hard he's trying to keep his balance throughout the program, there is no commitment to the music at all, no engagement with the audience at all, just concentration not to fall) getting 8.50s, 8.75s because he skates programs with 3 quads clean, and everyone being totally fine with that.
They don't even have the most outstanding jump content - but they do have good content and when they are able to jump it, it seems to deserve high PCS. If they then even entertain the crowd, like Samarin, or show commitment to the music, like Gumennik, that is enough for (high) 9s. For me that shows a focus on technical content in a way I don't see it internationally, not just the scoring, but also in the way people talk about it.
Yes, Frolova won her stage, iirc, with only 3-3. Like I said I like her, she has other qualities than "ultra c"s, but she won her stage in which I think nobody even jumped a quad or 3A, so I don't know how she's brought as an argument that Russians value other things but ultra c.
I almost never see the Russian posters speak about deep edges or such. Such points are absolutely irrelevant to them, it seems. And I see that reflected in the Russian scores. Sure there are many non Russians who don't value such either, but the complete absence of any such aspects in the "Russian speaking" discussions, or if it's discussed, in a marginalizing way, is remarkable.
In my eyes there is a rift.
Also there is for instance no bullet point for literally taken storytelling - yet I have now seen that being brought up by several posters as something negative if a skater doesn't do / positive if a skater does it: ~ "but now it is only lyrical interpretation of the music".
Then of course jumping difficult elements is a huge factor outside of Russia as well. Big jumps influence PCS massively. Still, I have yet, in the aftermath of the '22 Olympics, which seems to me to value "artistic" skaters a bit more than before, to see internationally something like Samarin getting high 9s, Gumennik getting called underscored with PCS of 9s, and Dikidhzi with an absolutely bland program, visible struggles in his very slow step sequence (you can see how hard he's trying to keep his balance throughout the program, there is no commitment to the music at all, no engagement with the audience at all, just concentration not to fall) getting 8.50s, 8.75s because he skates programs with 3 quads clean, and everyone being totally fine with that.
They don't even have the most outstanding jump content - but they do have good content and when they are able to jump it, it seems to deserve high PCS. If they then even entertain the crowd, like Samarin, or show commitment to the music, like Gumennik, that is enough for (high) 9s. For me that shows a focus on technical content in a way I don't see it internationally, not just the scoring, but also in the way people talk about it.
Yes, Frolova won her stage, iirc, with only 3-3. Like I said I like her, she has other qualities than "ultra c"s, but she won her stage in which I think nobody even jumped a quad or 3A, so I don't know how she's brought as an argument that Russians value other things but ultra c.
I almost never see the Russian posters speak about deep edges or such. Such points are absolutely irrelevant to them, it seems. And I see that reflected in the Russian scores. Sure there are many non Russians who don't value such either, but the complete absence of any such aspects in the "Russian speaking" discussions, or if it's discussed, in a marginalizing way, is remarkable.
In my eyes there is a rift.
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