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I think so too. Kozu has excellent skating skills. I hope (and want) to see him in Sochi.I always thought Chan and Kozuka are similar as far as the skating skills go.
I think so too. Kozu has excellent skating skills. I hope (and want) to see him in Sochi.I always thought Chan and Kozuka are similar as far as the skating skills go.
Imho NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Patrick Chan keeps getting more and more annoying, on and off the ice. After being awarded 2 world titles he didn't deserve, I hope he finishes 4th next year in Sochi.
I disagree. Elements are the substantial part of presentation. Thus, if a skater fails on an element, it should be affected in PCS.This way you are punishing the skaters twice. Elements are elements, presentation is presentation. (About PCS to be more affected by falls)
But if a skater falls yet still presents their program well I don't see any reason to deduct on the PCS.
Everybody would start skating conservative simple programs because taking risks would be too costly. You would be trying to make sure you never fall.
I don't want skating to be safe and conservative. I want it to take risks and excite.
I don't see why punishing skaters twice is so bad in itself. You have to look at whether the proposed deductions for major mistakes are going to be more accurate in reflecting what the skater produced over what we have now.
I just it's funny that some are so nonchalant about big falls in a routine (and multiple falls) and can live with a performance that is mired in them winning a competition, but once you talk about underrotation and fluting or lipping, then it's the end of figure skating.
I mean, is anyone complaining that transitions are basically being rewarded twice (in jump GOE and in a separate category in PCS)?
Essentially the judges are saying, I can see that you have great Skating skills, even though you fell. By that logic, they may aswell go to the practice sessions and mark the jumps based on the overall capabilities of the skaters.
Mathman, you never stop to amaze me. You always phrase everything so perfectly, logically and concisely.To me, this says that the problem is not with the annual tweaks but with the basic concept itself. If figure skating is not "that kind of sport'" (the kind where your performance is measured according to what you deliver on that particular evening), then why go through the charade of assigning points as if it is?
Chan does not have to work harder unfortunately. That is the message. Just do two perfect quads and the rest can be total garbage.
I think the complaint is rather, points, schmoints. We just saw Ten clean Chan's clock. Yet the protocol sheets say otherwise. Something is wrong here. Adding and re-adding the same numbers will not get to the bottom of the problem. (JMO.)
Chan won because of the current system. If you mark each category and total both programs all together he won. You are going to have to change the system if you want a different result but remember in years past Lambiel and Buttle have been held up because of their pcs - held up in a good way like Chan they earne dtheir marks in other categories. But once again skating is still subjective the idea of cop was to reward what you do otherwise we can have safer programs maybe figure skating should be pulled a sa judged sport. Like parents with little kids fighting if you cannot get along and behave then maybe the toy, the game should be taken away. Would that make you all happy.
Chan won because of the current system. If you mark each category and total both programs all together he won.
It's the folks who have drunk the ISU/IJS Kool-aid who are so hard to talk to.
I look at it this way. The program components are supposed to reflect the whole program, not just the part of the program between elements.
No way. PE of 9.75 for two falls and two other very visible errors? What would he have gotten if he was clean? 12?
After rewatching Patrick's and Denis' free skates, I do not change my initial notion that PChiddy fully deserves his title. If anyone received the most inflated score and was most held up by the judges in this competition, it's Denis not Patrick.
I believe that the judges are trained to think like CoP now. They have broken down the program second by second. Other than those a few seconds of Patrick's mistakes (including his falls), he did to almost the maximum capacity of a performance in such details. It seems if you ignore those seconds of his mistakes, he has put his full emotion into his program. That was the reason that he could get such high PCS for his program with falls. Many skaters could not do that. They fall, then they lose something in the performance in the rest of the program.
You think like 6.0. You see the program as a whole. I don't think you are wrong in the sense of performing art. In fact, I believe it should be seen as a whole in PCS scoring for the sake of making connections with the general public. I do not object changing the idea of scoring PE in PCS. But under current set up for the system, I believe this was the result. I don't think Chan's scores were inflated.
What are you talking about?!
You'd better re-check the fact! There was no such thing as 9.75 in PE for "two falls and two other very visible errors"! 9.75 in PE was in Patrick's world record making SP!
I will meet you halfway. Patrick's skating does have a quality that never abandons him even when things go wrong.
But Patrick himself said (in his interview for Icenetwork) that falling saps your energy. I think that happened here. After the first fall, the first half of the ensuing free skating sequence was not as fluid or energetic as we expect. Finally he got back in synch, only to fall again. The last half of the program petered out considerably. And unfortunately the lack of focus and attack made the music seem increasing dreary as the program wore on. I do not agree that he was able to "put his full emotion into the program." Quite the contrary.
He did get a 9.50 in the free program, though. The same judge gave him component scores of 9.50, 9.25, 9.50, 9.50, and 9.50.
Patrick's total PCS for his record setting short program was 45.67. His unfactored PCS for the long was 43.50. Don't you see something out of whack here?