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Could be lack of plan. . . just seem they could just give him credit for a 3F and call the 2T a GOE deduction. . . that still penalizes the skater (not that I really think they need to be, but someone does) but give at least some credit for what was done. Couldn't the 3F alone be the plan? or are we assuming he wanted more points than that? I wonder if the "plan" was to do a 3T if not a 4T. . . and then things unraveled from there.
Could be lack of plan. . . just seem they could just give him credit for a 3F and call the 2T a GOE deduction. . . that still penalizes the skater (not that I really think they need to be, but someone does) but give at least some credit for what was done. Couldn't the 3F alone be the plan? or are we assuming he wanted more points than that? I wonder if the "plan" was to do a 3T if not a 4T. . . and then things unraveled from there.
how about he did 3F2Lo instead of 2T as back up plan??
how about he did 3F2Lo instead of 2T as back up plan??
A 3T wouldn't have worked either because he repeats the 3A and the 3Lz already and he has a 3A-3T. I guess they just forgot about the "too many doubles" rule, since it's new from this season. Like you said earlier, a solo 3F would have been ok.
Ok I am a tad confused (sorry trying to learn the rules, as they both fascinate and baffle me) why would a 3T not be ok? I only see one 3T in the program total (with the 3A). So shouldn't he be able to do one more either in combination or alone? Does two 2Ts count as a 3T or something like that?
Glad I at least and following enough to understand the 3F would work. Seems like a reasonably easy contingency plan really. . . just play it safe if in doubt and does the jump alone and not in combo.
If he had done a 4T instead of a 2T, the 3F-2T would have been awarded fully. However, as the 2T was his 3rd in the program, he was penalized because of the Zayak rule. The back-up plan should have been just having the 3F since he had already done 2 2Ts. It seems he didn't have that in mind. It's good that he made that mistake early in the season though. I believe ISU wanted to discourage skaters from having 3 jump combinations comprising -2T-2T for the sake of getting more points!
If he repeated the 3T, he'd run in trouble with the "two repeated triples per long program" Zayak rule (this is a very old rule; the one who actually applied to Zayak and others who stacked 3Ts back in the 80s).. he had already repeated 3A and 3Lz, so a second 3T would have the whole 3F-3T nullified as well.
OK. . . so you can only repeat the same jump if it is done in combination, and on top of that you can only repeat two triples total. I think that "two repeated triples was kinda confusing me for awhile.
How do quads count? If you have two 4Ts, (say a 4T alone and a 4T+3L) can you then still do a 3T+3T and a say 3Z+3L? Only the Loop and Toe are repeated triples. Do quads count as repeated jumps?
Also speaking Zayak brainfart. . . Florent Amodio did four tipple salchows. . . so two of his passes did not count. I wonder if that was poor planning or getting lost on the ice, or some combination.
How do quads count? If you have two 4Ts, (say a 4T alone and a 4T+3L) can you then still do a 3T+3T and a say 3Z+3L? Only the Loop and Toe are repeated triples. Do quads count as repeated jumps?
Of all the triple and quadruple jumps only two (2) can be executed twice.
Also speaking Zayak brainfart. . . Florent Amodio did four tipple salchows. . . so two of his passes did not count. I wonder if that was poor planning or getting lost on the ice, or some combination.
The new Zayak rule is just crazy. I think it's okay for the ladies, because they don't perform quads yet, so all that could happen is they turn a triple into a double. But if a male skater plans two quads, he needs a back-up plan for the case he turns one if them into a triple, both of them into a triple, one into a double, both into a double, one into a triple and the other one into a double :sarcasm: And it gets even crazier for skaters like Fernandez, who plan three quads.