2017 Russian Nationals Ladies FS

[Jaana]

Zagitova was amazing and of course Medvedeva, too!!!

I don´t think that the Nationals result will affect the scoring at Europeans or Worlds in any way. In my opinion Nationals is just a stepping stone for major competitions and important in the result is only that a skater gets a placement that will qualify him/her for Europeans. There the outcome will open the way to Worlds.

 

[iamchrislao]

Just watched the skates. Wow. What is with the sotskova bandwagon? Sure she is a lovely girl but based on what i saw, would send to euros and worlds med, pogo and rad. Period. Poor rad, and pogo got screwed over. She deserved to be on the podium. Seriously.

 

[Latvian]

Lakernik - http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20161225/1114246503.html

 

[tyrolean skates]

I think the 10% bonus has been exposed To the point we need to change it. I think it should only apply to skaters who also execute at least three jumping passes in the first half too and maybe even one combo. Let's get them all tuckered out before we give em a bonus. No bonus in the SP.....please :handw:

This is what I call a good idea!!!

 

[tyrolean skates]

Of course, the field has moved on. Now 7 triples with tano, rippon and blackload and crazy transitions are the standard.
I do hope they will work on 3A and even UR or PR quads.

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Sorry, I don`t agree - pre-rotated or underrotated jumps will ruin the spine and the ankles of every skater in the Long run. Please- no Quads in Ladies Skating. I think with 3 A ladies Skating has reached its ceiling and the natural physical Maximum of what is possible.

 

[Khoai]

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Sorry, I don`t agree - pre-rotated or underrotated jumps will ruin the spine and the ankles of every skater in the Long run. Please- no Quads in Ladies Skating. I think with 3 A ladies Skating has reached its ceiling and the natural physical Maximum of what is possible.

They accept the like of pre-rotation from all top ladies like Miss Miyahara and even a male skater like Mr. Uno. If they do want to celebrate good technique, the should have punished the pre-rotation more harshly. They don't. That means they want to accept that kind of technique.

 

[tyrolean skates]

Hi Khoai!
Yes, they do ; Pre-rotation is - indeed - accepted by the ISU on the toe- Loop (up to half Rotation), the Salchow(half Rotation) and the Loop (1/4 Rotation). Only Flip and Lutz still have a take-off from backwards and have full Rotation (1/1). When I was a Young figure skater 25 years ago EVERY jump - except Axel-type-jumps- had FULL Rotation because ALL Take-offs had to be done backwards. But this is all Long gone. Sorry for my bad english, but I can`t explain it any better!

 

[Khoai]

Hi Khoai!
Yes, they do ; Pre-rotation is - indeed - accepted by the ISU on the toe- Loop (up to half Rotation), the Salchow(half Rotation) and the Loop (1/4 Rotation). Only Flip and Lutz still have a take-off from backwards and have full Rotation (1/1). When I was a Young figure skater 25 years ago EVERY jump - except Axel-type-jumps- had FULL Rotation because ALL Take-offs had to be done backwards. But this is all Long gone. Sorry for my bad english, but I can`t explain it any better!

I understand. My point is, good technique in the take off is not valued that much when ISU specialists keep ignoring those examples I have mentioned.

 

[tyrolean skates]

They accept the like of pre-rotation from all top ladies like Miss Miyahara and even a male skater like Mr. Uno. If they do want to celebrate good technique, the should have punished the pre-rotation more harshly. They don't. That means they want to accept that kind of technique.

Hi- we just discussed this question (jump -pre-rotation) in our local adult Skating Club last week, so I do know there have been changes over the years - if this is good? I don`t know

 

[tyrolean skates]

I understand. My point is, good technique in the take off is not valued that much when ISU specialists keep ignoring those examples I have mentioned.

Ah, ok!! - All clear to me!!

 

[sailormoon]

I'm still in shock after Radionova could not make the Russian national team and it was a dawn of the new era for Russian figure skating. Alina Zagitova's combined total of 221.21 surpassed her own world record by 13 points. But some Russian commentators do agree that the judges were tough on older skaters and lenient on younger or junior skaters who earned bonus points. Radionova was close to her personal best with 209.24, while Maria Sotskova scored 219.90 overall, which was 20 points better than her previous results outside Russia.

 

[Heleng]

Loved both Evgenia, who was stunning, and Anna. Although Anna wasn't at her best, she still had a wonderful skate, and it really puzzles me as to why she was placed fourth. Maria is pleasant and a good jumper, but to me she's kind of bland. My favorite of the up and coming ladies who isn't a teeny 14 year old was Stanislava, who I much preferred over Maria. I hadn't seen Stanislava before since I don't follow juniors very closely, but she has impressive jump technique, skating skills, and presence, and I will definitely be following her from now on and hoping for a breakthrough for her soon.

 

[andromache]

I see the strategy behind pushing Maria past Anna (here at Nationals only). Anna is already considered a top contender for a world medal this season. Maria isn't - she's probably viewed as an outside shot for bronze if others make mistakes. If Russian fed sends the message that Maria is close to Anna, it'll boost Maria's international scores without hurting Anna's at all.

In any case, I think this is the strongest team Russia has fielded in the ladies event. Evgenia/Anna/Maria is stronger than Evgenia/Elena/Anna and Liza/Elena/Anna from the previous two years.

 

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I see the strategy behind pushing Maria past Anna (here at Nationals only). Anna is already considered a top contender for a world medal this season. Maria isn't - she's probably viewed as an outside shot for bronze if others make mistakes. If Russian fed sends the message that Maria is close to Anna, it'll boost Maria's international scores without hurting Anna's at all.

In any case, I think this is the strongest team Russia has fielded in the ladies event. Evgenia/Anna/Maria is stronger than Evgenia/Elena/Anna and Liza/Elena/Anna from the previous two years.

I agree with you but the people had a point saying it might not be a good strategy. Rusfed apparently wants to have 3 contenders and push Maria. But the result may be that they will lose Anna who will be placed below Satoko, Osmond and whoever else (I believe she earned bronze in Saitama and silver in Boston).

 

[andromache]

I agree with you but the people had a point saying it might not be a good strategy. Rusfed apparently wants to have 3 contenders and push Maria. But the result may be that they will lose Anna who will be placed below Satoko, Osmond and whoever else (I believe she earned bronze in Saitama and silver in Boston).

Satoko and Kaetlyn are their countries' number one. The only way to push Anna past them would be to push Anna closer to Evgenia, which means making Evgenia a little less of a favorite. The risk there is minimal, IMO, but judges might not be willing to buy it. Plus, Anna (unfortunately) did not have perfect performances here. If she did, Rusfed may have made a strategic decision to push Anna, but her underperformances here made it impossible.

Anna was robbed at GPF, Boston could've gone either way, and it'll be interesting to see how Europeans goes and what judges decide to do without any Americans or Canadians or Japanese there. It's the Russians against one another plus Carolina (who won't medal, IMO). Can a perfect Anna get close to Evgenia? Will a less-than perfect Anna fall behind Maria again?

Anna needs to make judges give her the marks to make Evgenia's clear #1 position a little less secure. The top 2 tiers of ladies skating right now are Evgenia and Anna/Satoko/Kaetlyn/Maria/maybe Ashley. Instead of competing in the rest of the pack, Anna needs to push for the Evgenia tier. That'll ensure she beats everyone else.

 

[champs]

Hi Khoai!
Yes, they do ; Pre-rotation is - indeed - accepted by the ISU on the toe- Loop (up to half Rotation), the Salchow(half Rotation) and the Loop (1/4 Rotation). Only Flip and Lutz still have a take-off from backwards and have full Rotation (1/1). When I was a Young figure skater 25 years ago EVERY jump - except Axel-type-jumps- had FULL Rotation because ALL Take-offs had to be done backwards. But this is all Long gone. Sorry for my bad english, but I can`t explain it any better!

Sorry but where does this 1/4 turn for this maximum pre-rotation that should be accepted for the Loop jump come from? This would make 3+3Lo impossible: none of the current 3+3Lo jumpers have their tailend 3Lo less than a 1/4 turn of pre-rotation and even the 2lo+3Lo in Calgary 1988 by Ito had a slightly more than a half turn pre-rotated for the 3Lo.

 

[Ares]

Well, that's only the point difference between a 1A and 2A, Sotskova was otherwise flawless with +GOE.

Pogorilaya, on the other hand, got an edge call and a UR triple.

Still tasteless how they want to hype Sotskova up. In any case she also should received a couple of URs but they turned their blind eye to it as well as lower PCS.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Congrats to Evgenya. I must say she is growing on me. I hope she dedicates her Worlds FS to all the members of the Russian Military Choir that were lost in the Baltic Sea plane disaster. Evgenya is right....you never know who will come home once they leave the house.......

The force is strong in the Russian ladies! How can my Pogo skate that well and NOT make the team?

 

[Alexz]

Congrats to Evgenya. I must say she is growing on me. I hope she dedicates her Worlds FS to all the members of the Russian Military Choir that were lost in the Baltic Sea plane disaster. Evgenya is right....you never know who will come home once they leave the house.......

The force is strong in the Russian ladies! How can my Pogo skate that well and NOT make the team?

Pogo made it. Alina is too young. So Anna is still going to Euros and Worlds.

Regarding plane crash, the black box as recovered and appeared to be not damaged. Last talks between the pilots were about chassis and elevons/flaps. So guys on military forums came to conclusion that it was a human factor - pilot mistake. Apparently in Tupolev-154 those two buttons are next to each other: hide chassis and change angle of elevons (by moving flaps to another angle). The guys were on route from Moscow to Latakia to perform for troops at the airbase and New Year festivities in Aleppo, but they needed to pick up something (some humanitarian cargo, blankets, medicine, candies for kids for NY) in Sochi and do some refueling. It was like 5 am. I guess the co-pilot was sleepy and tired and hit the wrong button. I read some Russian ex-military pilot few hours ago on military forum, they say that Tu-154 is very unforgiving bird, one have to be very precise with it, even little mistake can lead into serious consequences. So far, judging by transmissions from black box, it seems the first pilot gave command to hide chassis, copilot responded: done. And then suddenly 2 seconds later emergency alarm and automation electronics start screaming "maximum angle of attack", 2 seconds later - boom. They were just 2 mins away from the airport, still picking up height.

They were flying military transport semi-cargo plane. Pilots were experienced with a decent amount of flight hours behind their belts. This bird requires maximum concentration and alertness per words by Russian pilots from forum. First more/less credible preliminary version is human factor - copilot was a bit sleepy and hit the wrong button when the plane was still picking up height to take 7k echelon. 4 seconds later after this mistake they were already pass the point of no return - piqued down into the see. Hydraulic hit, no survivors on the spot right away.

ETA: tragic mistake of 7-8" apart: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/41340/33837834.108/0_174b2d_d755b6b8_orig

My condolences to Russia.

 

[winky97]

Pogo made it. Alina is too young. So Anna is still going to Euros and Worlds.

Regarding plane crash, the black box as recovered and appeared to be not damaged. Last talks between the pilots were about chassis and elevons/flaps. So guys on military forums came to conclusion that it was a human factor - pilot mistake. Apparently in Tupolev-154 those two buttons are next to each other: hide chassis and change angle of elevons (by moving flaps to another angle). The guys were on route from Moscow to Latakia to perform for troops at the airbase and New Year festivities in Aleppo, but they needed to pick up something (some humanitarian cargo, blankets, medicine, candies for kids for NY) in Sochi and do some refueling. It was like 5 am. I guess the co-pilot was sleepy and tired and hit the wrong button. I read some Russian ex-military pilot few hours ago on military forum, they say that Tu-154 is very unforgiving bird, one have to be very precise with it, even little mistake can lead into serious consequences. So far, judging by transmissions from black box, it seems the first pilot gave command to hide chassis, copilot responded: done. And then suddenly 2 seconds later emergency alarm and automation electronics start screaming "maximum angle of attack", 2 seconds later - boom. They were just 2 mins away from the airport, still picking up height.

They were flying military transport semi-cargo plane. Pilots were experienced with a decent amount of flight hours behind their belts. This bird requires maximum concentration and alertness per words by Russian pilots from forum. First more/less credible preliminary version is human factor - copilot was a bit sleepy and hit the wrong button when the plane was still picking up height to take 7k echelon. 4 seconds later after this mistake they were already pass the point of no return - piqued down into the see. Hydraulic hit, no survivors on the spot right away.

ETA: tragic mistake of 7-8" apart: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/41340/33837834.108/0_174b2d_d755b6b8_orig

My condolences to Russia.

Very sad! Prayers to the families of those on board and to Russia on this. Political differences asides this is a Human tragedy.