I guess people are fine with everything untill their favorite skater/nation win medals ot their nemesis skater/nation doesnt win. If people are more invested in whole competitions as shows made for general public to enjoy in it, they will maybe agree with you. I totally agree with Lakernik answer on the question - who will win the competition then? The one who skates clean. Of course that someone who jumped 4 types of quad clean will win against someone who jumped only 2 of them. But if any of them fall during that process, im fine with someone with only clean 3As to win. My view on the problem is based exactly on worlds 2018 competition. Did Nathan deserve to win and to be watched in a program in which he shown tech mastery? Absolutely yes. But does the whole game in which hes came as a winner is worth watching? Absolutely not.
I guess people are fine with everything untill their favorite skater/nation win medals ot their nemesis skater/nation doesnt win. If people are more invested in whole competitions as shows made for general public to enjoy in it, they will maybe agree with you. I totally agree with Lakernik answer on the question - who will win the competition then? The one who skates clean. Of course that someone who jumped 4 types of quad clean will win against someone who jumped only 2 of them. But if any of them fall during that process, im fine with someone with only clean 3As to win. My view on the problem is based exactly on worlds 2018 competition. Did Nathan deserve to win and to be watched in a program in which he shown tech mastery? Absolutely yes. But does the whole game in which hes came as a winner is worth watching? Absolutely not.
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Well, the point is that changes were needed. The question is if they will work for general audience. If dont, they can change it again. I have no problem if theyre changing it every year...but that will be hard for skaters i guess... What i'm not ok with is to think about how changes will work for particular skaters or their fan bases. Because they shouldnt be made for them or cause of them... But for the general public...
Bolded for the part I agree with the most. It's amazing that Nathan won with such a fantastically technical skate, but there are other 23 guys skating in the FS and over half of them had very bad showings at Worlds. It's impossible to say the enjoyment of a competition like that is the same as it would be with clean skates.
No matter how much discussion on this goes by, I still don't see the point of limiting quad rep. Errors on quads are already going to be heavily punished by the new GOE, which should be enough to discourage skaters from doing quads for BV alone, if applied correctly (and that's a big if). If anything, it will bar skaters from repeating quads that are actually very good. And I doubt we'll be seeing many quad combos in the free anymore. I really can't figure out why it was even proposed. I thought the point of the rule change was to direct the evolution of the sport in a desired direction, not to make it stagnate.
May I propose different kind of change?
- NO judges accused of a fraud to judge in the competition ever again
- judges may be and WILL be asked why did they give the score Y to the skater X and a proper PROFESSIONAL explanation may be demanded
- the training for journalists will be organised and only journalists who participate in the training will be accredited
- judges will have to take an EXAM every 3 years
- judges will get a SALARY and thus hold accountable.
I can assure you that if these principles were implemented - be it in the 6.0, IJS or UFO system - everything would go so much smoother.
Maybe because the current winner had a 6 quad FS program, and was untouchable (at least in this comp)?
But it's not like he did 6 of the same quads, or even came close to an Elaine Zayak sort of thing. He did 4 different types of quads. The maximum number of DIFFERENT quads is 6. 4 out of 6 doesn't show enough diversity?
The current winner was untouchable in the competition because he was BY FAR the best of the night. BY FAR.
The entire proposition is ridiculous and backwards.
Maybe because the current winner had a 6 quad FS program, and was untouchable (at least in this comp)?
Exactly! I was implying that some higher-up people are not liking the Chendomination - seems interesting that these came just a week or two after Worlds. It's pretty clear that if Nathan can up his artistry and keep the 5-6 quad program, no one will touch him.
May I propose different kind of change?
- NO judges accused of a fraud to judge in the competition ever again
- judges may be and WILL be asked why did they give the score Y to the skater X and a proper PROFESSIONAL explanation may be demanded
- the training for journalists will be organised and only journalists who participate in the training will be accredited
- judges will have to take an EXAM every 3 years
- judges will get a SALARY and thus hold accountable.
I can assure you that if these principles were implemented - be it in the 6.0, IJS or UFO system - everything would go so much smoother.
I don't think this is true. His jumps aren't usually of the highest quality, and it's rare he gives the performances 100% commitment and emotion when he is so focused on the technical content.
He's also not immune to mistakes like pops and falls! He didn't win an individual medal at the Olympics.
I'm not really worried about any overt domination from him, honestly. The ISU shouldn't be either.
May I propose different kind of change?
- NO judges accused of a fraud to judge in the competition ever again
- judges may be and WILL be asked why did they give the score Y to the skater X and a proper PROFESSIONAL explanation may be demanded
- the training for journalists will be organised and only journalists who participate in the training will be accredited
- judges will have to take an EXAM every 3 years
- judges will get a SALARY and thus hold accountable.
I can assure you that if these principles were implemented - be it in the 6.0, IJS or UFO system - everything would go so much smoother.
I'm very confused why the VP of the ISU, who is from Russia, is talking about re-doing the scoring system and specifically mentioning skaters from his country, who will benefit from this rule change in an interview? Why is he mentioning Kolyada and how many quads he has? Are they not even trying to be shady about it anymore?
I was thrown by that too but I guess since he was being interviewed by a Russian journalist, for a Russian publication/article, he didn't mince words about what that might mean for Russian skaters. Still, I'd rather he be more neutral in his discussions of this, as a representative of ISU.