2013 Junior Worlds Ladies FS

[ser22]

:agree:

Grand Prix Final, technical specialist Shin Amano ( Miyahara's FS)
UR jumps: 3Lz<3T, 2A-3T<.... no e

Worlds junior Makoto Okazaki:
UR Jump: 3Lz+3T<, 3F<, 2A+3T<,3Lz<, 3S<+2T+2T.... three jump wrong edge

There is a difference.

 

[sky_fly20]

Wow great results, I really like Radionova for her age and Pogorilaya!


Gracie Gold and Osmond havent really accomplished that much to be considered so far above the senior Russian girls, I would have said the opposite.

maybe Gracie has been a bit of nerve problems this season but Osmond is guaranteed bronze medal at Worlds if she skates clean at home soil.

I think that'st what skateboy meant
true though as they might not be given that high pcs
relative to Mao, Yuna, Carolina and Osmond who might score a 70+

 

[yuki]

Hongo's team really was deranged with that choice. This is so frustrating because those skaters could have shown interesting programs, if they were given appropriate material. Stop with the overused, dreary classical pieces unless it's something that a skater feels, connects with and actually wants to skate to!

What's even worse is that Rika's program actually emphasizes her technical shortcomings for some reason. For instance, as a spinner she's a bit on the slow side - why draw attention to that by having her spin through dramatic highlights in the music? Were they trying to make sure that the judges really noticed that she's not a fast spinner? Designing a program to the skater's strengths and minimizing her weaknesses should really be common sense for choreographers at every level, but...

I don't want to come across as criticizing these girls too much; it's not their fault, they're all very young and I don't expect groundbreaking artistic interpretation from any of them - technical elements should come first at this point in their careers. Bu then why not have them skate to music that fits them and that they can enjoy and let them focus on the technical side, instead of trying to make baby ballerinas out of them simply in order to fit a preconceived notion of what a female skater is?

 

[yuki]

Grand Prix Final, technical specialist Shin Amano ( Miyahara's FS)
UR jumps: 3Lz<3T, 2A-3T<.... no e

Worlds junior Makoto Okazaki:
UR Jump: 3Lz+3T<, 3F<, 2A+3T<,3Lz<, 3S<+2T+2T.... three jump wrong edge

There is a difference.

The pupil has surpassed the master, then .

 

[marshan]

maybe Gracie has been a bit of neve problems this season but Osmond is guaranteed bronze medal if she skates clean at home soil.

Not sure really. The thing that happened to Samantha, I think explains perfectly what can happen to Osmond and Wagner if the tech pannel starts examining their jumps too thoroughly. Although I partly agree with you on Osmond but thought of a top 5-6 finnish in terms of clean skates. A medal looks a bit out of reach at this point. To me at least.

 

[ser22]

The pupil has surpassed the master, then .

unfortunately.hwell:

 

[sky_fly20]

Not sure really. The thing that happened to Samantha, I think explains perfectly what can happen to Osmond and Wagner if the tech pannel starts examining their jumps too thoroughly. Although I partly agree with you on Osmond but thought of a top 5-6 finnish in terms of clean skates. A medal looks a bit out of reach at this point. To me at least.

Cesario was never really a contender and as someone mentioned had UR Issues but Gold and Osmond don't. Osmond will recieve light tech scrutiny and she will sake on home ground , a bronze medal is within her each possibly silver if Kostner or Mao have their typical meltdowns, Gracie maybe Top 5 at best, nothing to be a silver or bronze medalist than Osmond can reach

 

[yuki]

unfortunately.hwell:

It's not like PCS scoring was better though. Some of those performances seemed graded by a random number generator and not by actual people watching the skating.
I sometimes wonder if the judges have a magic "generate PCS from TES" button somewhere.

 

[ser22]

It's not like PCS scoring was better though. Some of those performances seemed graded by a random number generator and not by actual people watching the skating.
I sometimes wonder if the judges have a magic "generate PCS from TES" button somewhere.

I agree

 

[let`s talk]

All this whining "Samantha for a medal" is just a joke. The girl was 11th in TES. No more zamboni winners if you please. And her 2nd PCS for crow arm flailing is questionable too.


Winners :
http://s017.radikal.ru/i400/1303/a8/c106371e6a80.jpg
http://i047.radikal.ru/1303/31/5cf3585febc5.jpg

 

[Icey]

I thought Zamboni winners were winners who fell a lot. I don't think that applies to Cesario.

 

[plushyfan]

Rodionova was amazing! Cesario had underrotated jumps?

 

[momskate]

Yes exactly and that is why I'm not surprised Anna beat Sam, sure her jumps are not the prettiest and a few of her landings were out of control, but watching her skate, I figured she was still going to get a pretty decent score because she was getting all the way around on her triples. Anyways I think Pogo was nervous here, she doesn't have the best exits to her jumps but they usually are more secure than today. I admire her fight, like how she added the 3 jump combo at the end after missing the 2t on the 2a-3t combo. She is very gutsy and knows how to work COP. I think the carriage will get better as she settles into her body. I really do think she has grown since earlier in the season though, in the warm up she looked very tall next to Elena, Satoko, and even Julia, this and her fight and ability to rotate the jumps consistently make me think she might actually have a decent future in skating. Plus not being a superstar might play in her favor from a pressure and confidence standpoint. I agree she doesn't need all the makeup but I actually think she still looks really pretty with it. In a couple years I think she could be a total knockout like Korpi.

Anyways while I am upset for Sam I am happy for Anna as well and don't think she was overscored. Out of credit to Anna she did go for really hard content, didn't give up, and made everything count as seen by her adding in the 3 jump program late. I think the fact that the way the current scoring system works is a technicality that makes one's heart break for skaters like Samantha, or Mirai at Nationals, but I still think that Anna's accomplishments here should not be undermined just because Samantha delivered a program that looked a lot nicer to the viewer without slomo cams. Also I think Anna's PCS benefitted from skating after Miyahara. I don't think they were out of line but I think had she skated after someone else they may have been lower, but after Satoko she must have looked rather mature and powerful merely due to the size difference and so her gawkyness didn't stand out as much. Anyways she reminds me of Shelepen but with better basics and without the headcase problems of always bombing the SP!

I totally agree, with 6.0 scoring system probably Miyahara and Samantha would be ahead of Anna, just because their program looked nicer.

 

[bekalc]

Hmm well 4UR for Samantha explains a lot. Here I was thinking the US might sweep like the men; didn't see this happening. Lipnskaiya did not look good here - jump wise or artistically. I had hope for her at Sochi. I really think the Russian ladies have a long way to go in juniors and seniors. Gracie GoLD, mAO, yUNA AND cAROLINA AND WAGNER all look pretty good now.

I'm not sure why you would put Gold over Adelina or Tukt. Both Adelina and Tukt have their issues but both girls have also already accomplished more on the international circuit. Adelina was within a point of beating the reigning World champion at Euros. Tukt won the free skate. All three of them strength is the jumps. I don't think Gold has shown this more artistic maturity.

 

[bekalc]

I hate this sport as much as I love it...

TES is TES, PCS is PCS. Those are two different things.

Somebody can land six quads. If they aren't skating to the music, they aren't skating to the music and should get destroyed on the IN mark.

Why can't the stupid judges start marking different aspects of skating independently. It's just so frustrating.

Yes but I must say though I don't think its fair to expect 13 year olds to have the same maturity, sense of music, sense of presentation that a 19 year old has. You start rewarding huge PCS for these things in Juniors. And you will just have nations sending their 2nd tier 19 year olds to Jrs, those Jrs winning due to more maturity but than Jr World champions not amounting to much.

I'd rather see a better developed Senior B system and the age for Juniors lowered. The young Japanese girl though should be more appreciated than she is. As for tiny jumps I think Julia L has tiny jumps but I don't think Anna does-at all.

 

[Mrs. P]

Yes but I must say though I don't think its fair to expect 13 year olds to have the same maturity, sense of music, sense of presentation that a 19 year old has. You start rewarding huge PCS for these things in Juniors. And you will just have nations sending their 2nd tier 19 year olds to Jrs, those Jrs winning due to more maturity but than Jr World champions not amounting to much.

I'd rather see a better developed Senior B system and the age for Juniors lowered. The young Japanese girl though should be more appreciated than she is. As for tiny jumps I think Julia L has tiny jumps but I don't think Anna does-at all.

To be fair, this is not a case ala sending Ashley Wagner to Jr. Worlds in 2009, Agnes Z in 2011 or Christina Gao in 2012 or Denis Ten for the last several years where you're sending seasoned senior competitors to Jr. Worlds for an easy victory. While Samantha is "old" by some people's standards from her personal career development standpoint she very much was competing as a junior. She has never competed at a Senior Grand Prix or even a Senior B and the fact is injuries (to Samantha's chagrin, I'm sure) has delayed her ability to advance in the ranks.

And let's face it NOT all 19-year-old women have maturity or great artistry skills either, so the fact that Samantha has this edge because she's 19, IMO, is a bit flawed. Gracie Gold was also older than many of her competitors last season and lost to Julie L, but she didn't get an automatic pass as far as being older=being mature= higher PCS.

Also, I'm a bit mixed on lowering the Jr. age limit, not everybody develops at the same time or are phenoms at a young age, a la Hanyu. I feel lowering the age would rush too many people to Seniors when they're not clearly ready for it. On the other hand if it means more people at Senior B's then perhaps I could support it.

 

[chuckm]

Cesario was never really a contender and as someone mentioned had UR Issues but Gold and Osmond don't. Osmond will recieve light tech scrutiny and she will sake on home ground , a bronze medal is within her each possibly silver if Kostner or Mao have their typical meltdowns, Gracie maybe Top 5 at best, nothing to be a silver or bronze medalist than Osmond can reach

Sorry, but IMO Osmond has NO chance at a World medal. Kim, Asada and Kostner are Olympic medalwinners or World Champions and they will get PCS scores in the upper 8s even if they don't skate perfectly. Osmond has received PCS scores in the low to mid 7s on home ice. Osmond has yet to turn in a clean international FS, and she is a flutzer. Her 6-triple FS is technically deficient compared to many of the top competitors' 7-triple programs.

Then there was Osmond's deer-in-the-headlights 4CC performances. If skating at a regional ISU Championship spooked her that much, then skating at Worlds (where the pressure is even higher) isn't going to be relaxing, even if it is home ice.

Kaetlyn's goal and focus for Worlds is finishing top 10, which is reasonable and doable, if she can keep her nerves under control.

 

[Dots]

The one thing Sam should take away from this competition is that she didn't get injured. One full season baby!!


Now she really needs to work on those jumps and get more stamina!

 

[skatel80]

I have mixed views on the results of this competition, Radionova was a clear winner for me, her personality is so endearing especially after her skate in the short It was nice to see lipnitskaya skate well again here , given she looked pretty bad at russian junior nationals, I could not believe when pogorilaya got the bronze, Samantha Cesario was robbed big-time! alot of those < calls were borderline and her program was beautiful, and I dont really like to be negative about skaters as every girl here from first to last worked incredibly hard to get here, but to call what anna did a "program" is a bit of a stretch she did a checklist of jumps and spins while awful booming music played in the background :/ though I appreciate that this is not really her fault as she didnt choreograph it herself, technically she is impressive but the jumps were sloppy in that performance and to be honest it was pretty boring to watch.
On a more positive not well done to Gabby Dalemann and Alaine Chartrand for those two excellent performances and to Courtney hicks for having the highest jumps Ive seen a lady do sice Ito and Harding

 

[sky_fly20]

Sorry, but IMO Osmond has NO chance at a World medal. Kim, Asada and Kostner are Olympic medalwinners or World Champions and they will get PCS scores in the upper 8s even if they don't skate perfectly. Osmond has received PCS scores in the low to mid 7s on home ice. Osmond has yet to turn in a clean international FS, and she is a flutzer. Her 6-triple FS is technically deficient compared to many of the top competitors' 7-triple programs.

Then there was Osmond's deer-in-the-headlights 4CC performances. If skating at a regional ISU Championship spooked her that much, then skating at Worlds (where the pressure is even higher) isn't going to be relaxing, even if it is home ice.

Kaetlyn's goal and focus for Worlds is finishing top 10, which is reasonable and doable, if she can keep her nerves under control.

you do realize Osmond will be skating on home ice right ? she will have that huge advantage to podium
she has a chance to score a 70+ in pcs skating a clean LP like Mao, Yuna or Carolina to keep her in contention
I think 1 fall from Osmond she can still warrant a 125-130+ score, so podium is within her reach, wether deserving or not