2015-16 Ice Dance and 2016-17 SD Requirements released

[bramweld]

No not touch sequence...

When I think about this more, it is indeed sad. Everything will be done in hold? No variety for the viewer or the dancers? For some couples this was their best element in the SD. I really liked them a lot in the SD this year.

 

[bramweld]

Also, in the requirements, they say NO LOOPS.

Does that mean loop as in the jump (which is illegal anyway)
or loop like the tracing on the ice??

Wow the TES requirements will be very difficult this year.

 

[bramweld]

Just to clarify each team has to have a 10 second pause in their program right before going into the partial step sequence in hold? Tell me I got this wrong. What are they gonna do in that 10 second pause? Stare lovingly into each others eyes? huh?

 

[dorispulaski]

I guess so.
How soporific.
Maybe a pazzzzhionnate kizzzzzz.

I presume the intention is to signal the judges that the element is about to begin.

I am going to :scratch::disagree::disagree: absolutely hate this.

 

[bramweld]

i guess so.
How soporific.
Maybe a pazzzzhionnate kizzzzzz.

I presume the intention is to signal the judges that the element is about to begin.

I am going to :scratch::disagree::disagree: Absolutely hate this.

nah a page is missing somewhere. They plan to clarify in a quick minute. Seriously? Those teams not going to worlds and prepping for next season must be thoroughly confused. Clearly.

 

[humbaba]

Isn't the pause before the partial step sequence supposed to be not more than 10 seconds? That's what I remember reading. The pause has to be definite and clear, but not more than 10 seconds. So it could be less, and I'm praying to God that for most couples it will be. I pity the dance teams trying to cope with this requirement. When they pause, how long is long enough? I guess they're trying to make sure the guy with the stopwatch earns his keep.

 

[dorispulaski]

What with timing all the lifts, there is already too much involvement of the timer in ice dance,IMO.

 

[KKonas]

But why? what they are thinking?

Well, you rarely see a non-touching step sequence in a traditional ballroom waltz and since this dance is relatively easy on the guys, staying in hold throughout the SD is more difficult. I miss the spin however.

 

[uhh]

The stop doesn't mean that they stop & do nothing - a dance spin would count as a stop (maybe even a stationary choreographic lift, but I'd have to check that), and it doesn't have to be 10 seconds, it just mustn't exceed it. So it could be as little as a couple of seconds that wouldn't interrupt the program too much & would more act as a transition between the waltz & polka/foxtrot/march rhythm.

I doubt the NtStSq is gone for good, as they've kept it in juniors. It's just for this style it helps keep the ballroom feel throughout & as the Ravensburger pattern is so much longer than the paso, they couldn't keep the pattern, partial step sequence & NtStSq, plus the lift & twizzles in 2 minutes 50. Hopefully they'll continue to mix up the options each season.

 

[dorispulaski]

A spin or lift would count as an illegal element, and earn a deduction.

I suppose they could do the hokey pokey.
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=/#/watch?v=YzSJBowPECY

well..as long as they don't turn around.

I hope bramweld is right, and that this will be fixed in the next communication/clarifcation/questions document.

 

[slider11]

I'm guessing that the removal of the no touch sequence is to try and keep pairs and ice dance distinct. I think the federations want to see strong dance skills in hold. I think the no-touch might come back but for now they want to see "in hold".

 

[uhh]

A spin or lift would count as an illegal element, and earn a deduction.

ISU Communication 1522: "* As per definitions in Rule 604, Dance Spins and Pirouettes are stops."

 

[dorispulaski]

I should have said "extra element"

9 Extra element – for each extra element Element not according to requirements for Short Dance or not according to the “Well-Balanced Free Dance Program”. -1.0 point deduction Element receives (no value) Computer deletes elements and applies deduction. Technical Controller authorizes or corrects deletion of elements and deductions.

Either a spin or a lift would be an "element"

 

[uhh]

But the stop is mandatory, so doing a dance spin wouldn't fall under the extra element rule; it's there to be counted as a form of stop, rather than extra leveled element. I didn't think it would be possible until a friend who is a tech specialist at the national level suggested it & she's pretty certain that a spin would be allowed. (Although I doubt anyone would go for a full dance spin, more like stationary versions of the choreographic spinning movement we've been seeing this season). I expect the ISU will be issuing clarifications around this as there seems to be a lot of confusion.

 

[dorispulaski]

I think they have to clarify what you can do in the 10 seconds. If this season, you did a spin or a stationary lift extra in the SD, it would be an extra element.

Communication 1522 was issued in 2008. I would want something more than its assurance before including an extra element during the stop.

Dancers could perhaps do motions with both feet on the ground, as long as they stayed in one place. Say like some of the the Mexican Hat dance movements.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=QN-p4mUbq6k

 

[caitie]

(Hope no one minds me bumping this thread!)

Originally when I heard about the required stop, I assumed it was to take place before the Ravensburger waltz pattern. Which would actually sort of make sense seeing as how a lot of teams have a musical edit for the patterns. I thought it would be kind of like this stop before the Yankee Polka in D/W's Giselle. But the full stop before the partial step sequence in hold is just weird, especially since we already have two Ravensburger waltz sequences...

I think we'll get a lot of programs that start with the Ravensburger patterns --> full stop + music change --> waltzy step sequence in hold --> ending with a lift. (With the twizzles fitting in there somewhere.) Because that really seems like the best way to fit everything in if you have to start the stsq from a several-seconds-long full stop (and the beginning of the program doesn't count as a stop).

I wonder if doing away with the no-touching step sequence and adding this step sequence in hold is because they want to encourage more skating in hold, as ice dance purists have been complaining about more and more teams skating less and less in hold for some time now. But I'm really going to miss the no-touching step sequence as it was one of my favorite elements!!

 

[ice coverage]

ISU Communication No. 1936
Ice Dance
Scales of Values, effective July 1st 2015

http://static.isu.org/media/199293/1936-id-scales-of-values-2015_16.pdf (8 pages, published Apr 13)​

Didn't seem worth starting a new thread.

 

[GF2445]

ISU Communication No. 1936
Ice Dance
Scales of Values, effective July 1st 2015

http://static.isu.org/media/199293/1936-id-scales-of-values-2015_16.pdf (8 pages, published Apr 13)​

Didn't seem worth starting a new thread.

Nice to see that choero elements are all worth the same now.
Other than that. Everything is the same.

 

[dorispulaski]

Good. I can't say I was crazy about the choreo spins, but because they were worth a bit more than choreo lifts, we saw a lot if them.

 

[caitie]

So the SD pattern sequences are both worth less now?? Level 4 paso sequences were worth 6.0 this season, but it says level 4 Ravensbergur sequences will be worth 5.0.

I wonder what the logic in decreasing the worth of the patterns is.....