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2017 U.S. Nationals Championship SD
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Tanith made a good point that Chock and Bates must be frustrated by the fact that they skated better than they have all season, yet they are three points behind Shibutani and Shibutani and only a whisker ahead of Hubbell and Donahue. There is not much else they can do.
I thought the first three skated very well. The Nationals score inflation is what it is LOL.
That's the interesting thing about all this talk about Shpilband and what pull he has politically and also his tech expertise. Obviously, as this result shows, he's not all-powerful and there's only so much he can do when momentum is going against his skaters. And this isn't the first time Chock/Bates have dropped levels with Judy Blumberg as tech specialist. So while there may be tech specialists like Andrzej Dostatni, who arguably might decide in favour of Shpilband teams. There are also other tech specialists who look at his skaters more skeptically, or perhaps at the way he has them execute elements, has things structured etc.
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My take from the arena:
Madi and Zach were so good, this is a different dance in person. Loved every second of it and I think they should have been much closer to the Shibs.
The Shibs are very precise and amazing twizzlers but skating right after H/D, they skated small. And I still find that mix up hip hop thing annoying ( showing my age)
Madi and Evan have a very entertaining dance. She is the star and he is eclipsed by her.
The US is blessed with great teams, really found enjoyable moments in everyone's skates. Looking forward to the FD.
Madi and Zach were so good, this is a different dance in person. Loved every second of it and I think they should have been much closer to the Shibs.
The Shibs are very precise and amazing twizzlers but skating right after H/D, they skated small. And I still find that mix up hip hop thing annoying ( showing my age)
Madi and Evan have a very entertaining dance. She is the star and he is eclipsed by her.
The US is blessed with great teams, really found enjoyable moments in everyone's skates. Looking forward to the FD.
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I'm not a fan of C/B at all all, but wasn't Judy Bloomberg an old coach of the Shibuatanis? She should not be allowed to be the tech specialist when they compete.
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Wonderful skating and wonderful overscoring. I am sorry but these teams are great but well overscored. I love how close chock and bates are to hubbell and donahoe - it is going to make an interesting free dance. Chock and Bates know if they lose secnod things have gone from bad to worse. Clearly they are behind the Shib sibs now. Ironically this mirrors the Canadian situation or vice versa where the established medal winning second place team is being chased closely by team no. 3 and the third teams seem to have something fresh and ready to take over.
I've been droning on about the constitution of dance tech panels since forever. IMO the system is fundamentally screwed up and it hurts the sport. It's not even that it's screwed up in one direction or that one particular pair or coaching group profits from it or anything. It's that almost all the tech specialists, who have extra power in dance because things like falls and obvious mistakes are rarer, have ties to somewhere. I'm not sure how to do anything about it, but the various skating organizations just pretend it's no big deal at all and that the tech panel is always objective and neutral. When obviously it's not. This is not even about Chock/Bates. As I said, the moment Dostatni, for example, is on the panel (like he was at Worlds last year), chances are that might work in their favour. The system as a whole is the problem.
ETA: I'm not questioning anyone specifically, I'm annoyed at the ISU pretending all of this is fine. And it's rampant everywhere. I'm sure they would be fine with Sergei Ponomarenko calling an event where his son participates, that whole mindset is what I take issue with.
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I joked once that Sergei Ponomarenko will be the technical caller at a competition where Anthony Ponomarenko will compete in one day and the ISU will defend it some how.
Although I actually think Blumberg is a fine caller and pretty fair when you look at her calls historically, she and many other callers/judges all have varying degrees of conflict-of-interests going on with various competitors.
Although I actually think Blumberg is a fine caller and pretty fair when you look at her calls historically, she and many other callers/judges all have varying degrees of conflict-of-interests going on with various competitors.
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I haven't followed closely recently, but my recollection is that if she awards a L4, then that means the skaters earned it.
Absolutely. No question. She's not one to give the benefit of the doubt.
I like that.
I'll probably get kicked out for saying this but I really do think we need to move towards artificial intelligence (AI) judges. In the medical field, many types of algorithms such as deep neural nets are already outperforming specialists in very defined tasks. Technical judging fits into the category of problems that AIs would excel at. Does anyone know if the raw feeds from multiple cameras are packaged anywhere? Something like this might make it easier: https://www.stats.com/sportvu-basketball-media/
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What do you mean classier?
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Do you mean the untied bowtie? I actually think it's a tribute to Jay-Z. I think his outfit is supposed to be a combo of Frank and Jay-Z.
Regarding Judy Blumberg and the Shibutani's, people DO realize (?) when they invoke a conflict of interest concern, that she was a member of their coaching team for one season when they were 10 and 13 year old juveniles becoming intermediates over a decade ago.
I find the Shibutani's outfits to be very thoughtfully styled and expertly crafted. Alex's outfit is an impeccably tailored suit with an open white shirt. There is no untied bowtie (which is a somewhat trite costuming decision in stating by now). The inspiration could have included these cover shoots from Jay Z, with articles in which he references his reverence for Sinatra.
http://rapradar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jay_q_cover1.jpg
Also in my opinion, Maia's outfit is a bold choice - and I have never not seen Maia outfitting either on or off the ice, in a way that wasn't classy. It takes confidence and a great body to pull off the body suit/no skirt. The exposed bra line/bodice is actually very in fashion and consistent with the hip hop style they are interpreting.
I find the Shibutani's outfits to be very thoughtfully styled and expertly crafted. Alex's outfit is an impeccably tailored suit with an open white shirt. There is no untied bowtie (which is a somewhat trite costuming decision in stating by now). The inspiration could have included these cover shoots from Jay Z, with articles in which he references his reverence for Sinatra.
http://rapradar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/jay_q_cover1.jpg
Also in my opinion, Maia's outfit is a bold choice - and I have never not seen Maia outfitting either on or off the ice, in a way that wasn't classy. It takes confidence and a great body to pull off the body suit/no skirt. The exposed bra line/bodice is actually very in fashion and consistent with the hip hop style they are interpreting.
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I also think the front of Maia's top (the part that looks like the front of a jacket) is made from the same material as Alex's jacket.
