2019 World Championships Pairs Short Program

[cathlen]

No you weren't. It's a lot to expect a pair to suddenly have a perfect season and not have some serious pressure at Worlds. The good news is that they'll learn from it. Each year they just get better and better.

Yup, but we don't know if they'll continue at all It was probably the best chance, Russian and Chinese pairs won't be waiting on them...

 

[viennaskater]

Does anyone know why all pairs couples qualified for the free? Usually they keep it to just four groups, therefore only the first 16 would have gone through to the free, but not on this occasion.

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[Mohacz]

Does anyone know why all pairs couples qualified for the free? Usually they keep it to just four groups, therefore only the first 16 would have gone through to the free, but not on this occasion.

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According to the organizers: "Qualification rule: The best 20 couples after Short Program will advance to the next segment."

 

[viennaskater]

According to the organizers: "Qualification rule: The best 20 couples after Short Program will advance to the next segment."

Hm, thanks. I am pretty sure that hasn't always been the case, though. Maybe the rule has changed.

 

[dorispulaski]

It did.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Just a quick post to let you know that 90 minutes of highlights on Eurosport's linear channels is starting after these adverts.

Here is the link for the archived British Eurosport 2 highlights on the Player (starts at 10m 09s with #6 Minerva Fabienne Hase / Nolan Seegert. LIVE coverage of Ladies SP at start. Episode of "Top 5" at 1h 35m 36s. Welsh Triathlon Super Series at 1h 40m 24s):
https://gb.eurosportplayer.com/even...ionships/c108743b-6d96-4c75-84de-e6af926a4348

Starting with #6 Minerva Fabienne HASE / Nolan SEEGERT

(But they could have shown an extra routine in the time they wasted showing the judges being introduced! )

Simon Reed and Chris Howarth on commentary.

Hope this helps.

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Lota]

Hm, thanks. I am pretty sure that hasn't always been the case, though. Maybe the rule has changed.

I'm glad they changed the rule, but I'm sad that it's only from this year onward. Now we're in a bit of a transition period where many older couples have retired, some are injured and there are many new partnerships and juniors transitioning to seniors, so the field is slightly weaker this year. It would've been great if the rule was implemented last year or the year before that when the field was much stronger and there were a lot more pairs vying for the spots. Last year the passing score for the 16th spot was 63 (this year the 16th place scored only 53), and there were 28 pairs fighting for the spots, so the rule would've benefited them a lot. Either way, I'm sure that in the next couple of seasons the injured pairs will come back and the juniors and new partnerships will become stronger, so this change will be much appreciated by all :yes:

 

[NoNameFace]

Here we go with more complex/longer post on Pairs' SP - I watched everyone starting from 2nd group. I have to say that I enjoyed the competition quite a lot, pity that there were less pairs than last year, but I trust there will be more going forward with the quad. And post will be LONG, so apologies in advance!

Whatever to be said, Zoe is a heroine and longevity I want to see more. I think today's performance was their best this season, yes, maybe not perfectly executed, but seeing them I feel they wanted to be there & present their best. And that's always a YES in my book when I see this drive in skaters.

I wish Lana and Antonio would progress and get better, more polished - because they really have goods to work with (and Fedor by their side!). I love their twist, her cat landings and attitude they have. Only polish, strengthening elements and getting more ease, then difficulty maybe is needed. I really enjoyed them last year live in Milan and today with 'Greatest Showman' SP - it was a bit rusty and not fluid as a skate, but again, there was an effort there. And that twist, please capitalize on that and progress!

I find this SP of Laura and Aritz a bit of less effective knockoff of Valentina/Ondrej's 'Americano' SP, yet still working for them in more cute/charming way, just not as 'big' on personality sell like Vale & Ondrej did. I really appreciate the progress they made, their elements seem much more secure and style is more polished than even last season I think. And they both have this kind of knack for being an engaging performers while skating, especially with catchy program. There's a joy of performing in front of crowd and it makes skating just better in perception for me, even with mistakes.

I have a really soft spot for Minerva and Nolan and I really like this SP for them - there's just something peaceful and joyful about her expression after every jump hit and enjoying the program altogether, I find their pair chemistry working very well too: looking good together & seeming to enjoy their company, moment on the ice. Loved the throw, their lines, musicality in this more 'subdued' way, not overly dramatized/overacted. I wish maybe for more confident carriage, little more speed, drive expressed there, more personality maybe coming out, but I trust it will come. On the same wavelength - I adore Austrians with all I have! I wish Germans will have the same kind of progress in technicality/presentation like Miriam and Severin who improved greatly over past 2/3 years for me. They are really a different TEAM, not two individuals trying to skate/perform together like it was for me. It was not perfect today, but I love this SP, the quiet build of it and contemporary/edgy flair. I am simply happy to see them competing and trying their best in shadow of their coach passing (Jean-Francois Ballester) and after rough Euros ended with withdrawal.

I can't wait to see how Evelyn and Trennt will progress, they seem such exciting pair for me with quite grown-up look about them already - I love how she seems to have time of her life while performing that SP. They obviously need more polish, consistency, gaining more ease & speed, but I think it will all gel together with steady progress and experience gained.

I felt so crushed seeing Ashley's fall. For me, arguably, a top team regarding personality and certain style: quite 'individual' yet making a striking wholesome. She and Tim are just very statuesque on ice, visible and seeming comfortable with capturing attention, such great performers! I really like this sassy SP, playing definitely on their strengths, showcasing acting, character, cheekiness, musicality, flexibility; aside of fall, I enjoyed everything else so much - they made quite a progress and got more flow as a team, difficulty and a certain 'identity' as a pair. Ashley deserves the world after that horrible fall at Golden Spin and then becoming US Champ, I will cross my fingers hard tomorrow for that 'W.E.' FS!

That crash during final group warm-up seemed to throw off the balance both Vanessa & Matteo, both in their respective performances looked just tight and off for me...Like with Ashley & Tim, Nicole & Matteo really progressed their skating and pair presentation leaps and bounds from past 2/3 seasons, just looking so much more refined, confident, precise and sharp in elements and delivery of the whole program. They are such attractive sight on the ice (I know, vain side in me is calling out) and I feel that their skating, chemistry matched this attractiveness with that SP this season; doubling solo jump from Matteo was unfortunate, but I applaud them for pulling all the strings and efforts for the rest, making performance effective. I wish they used INXS original version of the song, maybe making it more 'edgy', less glamorous/than sleek in appearance, but nonetheless - they held themselves together, I really like their connection, expressiveness on faces, that 'daring' look on Nicole.

Vanessa and Morgan...This was unexpected, but at the same time not really surprising for me. This time, it was more than skating clean - it was also about carrying the pressure of undefeated team, favourites looking at how season went and that crash could shake Vannessa up/ make Morgan's focus wavering a bit (as for that doubled solo jump). Also...for me that SP was a bit of an afterthought, especially comparing it to totally owned FS in every sense: music, choreo, expression - this SP for me is a hard sell because it tries to mesh somehow 'edgy' music (in terms of not being standard repertoire for Pairs) with more 'flow-y'/streamlined choreo, making kind of 'harmonious' wholesome, with that pair image in it. I just couldn't see a full, complex and compelling picture there, them in it. And to compare it with Sui/Han's and Tarasova/Morozov's SPs being so into their alleys, highlighting their strengths/style they look the best (that though will be explained more below for Sui/Han though as this SP and performance produced today kind of established a new kind of stylistic versality, superb quality of them as 'owners' of any style of program they do) AND performed/executed that well was really making Vanessa/Morgan's SP as inferior vehicle, not even talking about mistakes today. Kudos for them though for carrying the performance forward, trying their best and acting professionally as expected from top team. Re-watching it...I just don't feel that build of excitement, sharpness and daring attitude that was in 'Earned It' and 'Make it Rain' SPs, like making it into compelling spectacle that was so non-classical pair, but was so unique, this SP for me does not have that continuity and strong 'pull' as a vehicle in action. Which pains me, because they are so 'on-brand' team, confident and unique in their identity, style, carriage, striking and sensual...I hope that disappointment of today will lit fire under them, unleash their anger and their FS will be a moment to remember.

Natalia & Alexander - with all my respect to 'unique' concept of that program, 'staging' and originality, I just can't take it seriously. Good for them though standing out from the pack and doing themselves in capes etc. - I wish 'the edge' would be presented in more sophisticated way, but if that's a sign of them challenging themselves with something out-of-ordinary, I'll take it. They truly have a beautiful presence on ice, that classical look and strong technique, I just wish for more 'particular spice' about them, having that identity/style, personalized aura about TEAM brand that would make any program pop, recognized program by the team, not other way around.

I find this SP of Kirsten & Michael a bit too sugary sweet and bland for my personal taste/ too sugary-lyrical, but I appreciate them looking so much stronger as a pair this season, just more gelled together, connected more with the music and each other, not only though elements - yes, today's performance was kind of shaky (that lift scared bejesus of me during position change...), but again, with more experience and polish they carry such situations better I think. I find Michael as more 'rounded' and engaged performer lately, I just wish I was not that scared of how he does twist and lift; good thing he has less and less such scares and improves.

Peng and Jin stole my heart today - to produce such strong technically yet charming performance with lightness/cheekiness to is just so rare and precious. I was not a fan of that partners' switch few seasons ago to be honest, but now I see that pairing Jin with Peng enriched and elevated both somehow - the team as a whole got more and more personality to it and Peng seems just so much more 'at ease' while performing; I also see them getting more stronger and profound technically, more confident in execution, pushing their performance ability/ability to 'sell' the program more at the same time. They just seems to be in 'competitive fire' this season, way more 'fiery' as competitors - and I think both programs suit they very much, with nice balance between showcasing them and their technical capability. I love SP more because of that energy, sassiness, making it more 'customized' and immediately associating the song with pieces of choreography and their expression, I love such 'statement' moments. I really loved throw (distance, polish, extension), twist (height, ease), lift (speed and confidence), all the transitions making performance more 'individual', these solo toes RIGHT on the music - polish, sharpness, quality oozing from everything. I think that may not be the 'loudest' team out there, most expressive, with most 'reputation', but I find their more subtle way of nuancing music, performing while maintaining strong technical execution really effective, standing on its own.

When Evgenia and Vladimir are on, they are ON - and no one can deny them technical exquisiteness, powerful delivery from technical standpoint that carries programs like this with impact. Everything was just so...sharp, polished, matched magnitude and climax of this classical piece so well, big elements for big music. They are the purest epitome of that 'classical pair' image, continuing Russian tradition to produce such striking pairs: in appearance, matching, technique, strength, lines, carriage, they have these in spades. I really loved the lines of Evgenia's extension, the prettiness of this picture, enriching the music in its strength, having that statuesque presence, beautiful in its classical notion.

Classical music is definitely their alley in terms of 'styling' their appearance and constructing an effective image, vehicle to perform, my only issue is that the whole thing is maybe too severe and static in terms of interpretation/performance quality outside of technical side - I am absolutely not for over-dramatizing Rach, making it 'screaming' with expression, I would just love to see more personal connection poured into the piece and the program outside of what I saw (and appreciated/respected) as for competitive drive and focus; comparing singles to pairs may be off line, but when it comes to that particular Rach piece of music, Mao Asada for me set a desired standard in terms of interpreting/engaging personally into it: with moderate touch, balance between grandiose feel, majestic sound and her skating style/identity, how she moves & expresses though music and choreography - not being fully 'an absent spectator' of a piece of art, but trying to 'customize' it in action; less of admiring a sculpture, more of making a new piece to it/new memory, some sort of attachment. I just miss a bit that 'personalization' when it comes to making that music more 'theirs' than just a good fit.

Their skating is a beautiful thing to watch, their technique - when being on - is captivating to admire, but I just feel like this program/style of it defines their SKATING in a way, giving identity to it/to their competitive spirit (looking that they went back to it for giving themselves the best chance in competition which is a wise move and I absolutely do not criticize it), not exactly them as a team - for me, this is their best program to date, but rather by style/fit of the music than them making it that way.

Relating to scores, I agree on the lead, but I would have Sui/Han leading in CO/IN PCS categories comparing both vehicles and quality of construction/interpretation intricacy/nuance level, but that's just make take on things as I generally try to not fuse much over scores, but enjoying performances on their own as much as I can. Speaking of which...Re-watching today's performance of Wenjing/Cong, I started to reminisce about things I heard on art crafts workshops/jeweller's workshop I attended while younger - masters of crafts really stressed that even the most beautiful jewel/rock/centrepiece loses its allure/shine if having bad/wrong 'frame' to it, treated badly, with not enough care and complexity; I remember to be taught about diligent work with all supplies I have AND tools, because one enriches another, building that final effect captivating us by its beauty/charm etc. And why I tell about this now? Watching Wenjing/Cong performing this SP program today helped me understand more about meaning of 'total package' in action, how the FEEL, emotion defines work and craft of technique and delivery. For me, they truly made an unique statement out there, even for themselves/their previous work - to TAKE a contemporary piece, with lyrics that carry some kind of message/story and then to MAKE it into their own with such emotional package included is something special, elusive that sets them apart in my opinion from being just great skaters; they are not just relying on sole power/fit of the music to them, taking it out of convenience/to stand out/to make a pleasant image (like most of teams) - they truly try to create some stand-alone piece from music, skating, movement, emotion, connection, chemistry. Yes, it was not foot-perfect (nor it was at 4CC), but the individual engagement and refinement over connection between them and music/each other took the performance with all it had on another level of reception (and then appreciation). From the starting pose, fist beats of the song they OWNED the space and moment, infusing every move, element and transition with feelings, expression, giving that shape to the lyrics, rhythm; I really teared up seeing their opening embrace, closed eyes, their closeness in more than physical sense - them connecting so strongly with the program made my connection just as strong and impactful.

About expression - I read recently some interview with Kaori Sakamoto where she talked about working during last summer with choreographers on becoming more mature performer who expresses and influences to the people not by face, but the slightest move of her arms/finders/head and this so rang the bell today for me. Wenjing and Cong performs, transfers their emotion/engagement through very little gestures and nuanced movement and though sublime treatment over pause and motion, no other team for me right now operates these two perspectives while performing better than them.

There's just for me that rich, loaded sense of completeness watching them now, in that vehicle, a complexity of things/features that yet feels effortless to take in, that sense of filling up the 'frame' with jewel-like content in equal measure, not even treating Cong like a 'frame' (in sense of partner presenting Sui) and Wenjing like 'jewel' to be presented - they both making the 'frame' and what's inside, both elements are important as for technicality, construction of a program, execution, transitioning etc. and then performing it, interpreting music and giving it shape, existence, raw emotion of the moment. It is a program I fast/instantly developed deep 'involvement' in reception like with Vincent FD - it accentuates individuality and importance of each PCS category, technical side and presentation side, having that 'now' presence for the performance while executing program. And I apologize if anyone takes it as a 'waxing poetic' over something unnecessarily/speaking too much of something like FS program - the more I attach myself to skating, the more I explore of what I look for in it; this season I connected with few programs/teams (skaters)performing them on really deep, raw emotional level and all these words are spoken out of the experience

 

[Fruitpie]

Oh my, BK and the death spiral. Tale as old as time. I hope someday soon they will take one step that divides hate from love (I mean in their "relationship" with that element).

 

[Sk8swan]

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/...e-skating-championships-opening-day-1.5063909 article about pairs short, including youtube video interview with DM&G about the warm up crash

 

[elektra blue]

catching up with pairs

Auntie Zoe JONES & uncle Christopher BOYADJI: I think it’s a great achievement just to be there regardless the score

Wenjing SUI & Cong HAN: wonderful performance, think how this could have been without injuries and a full season!

Cheng PENG & Yang JIN: sbs 3T was amazing, landign on the throw 3Lo was perfect and their energy is great!

Aleksandra BOIKOVA & Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII <3 one of my favourite sp of the season, they’re charming and charismatic but probably got nervous at such big stage. Shame on the death spiral. next season with mishina/galliamov turning senionrs will be very entertaining.

P. S.: i got a small silver

 

[labgoat]

Oh no, I didn't know there was a collision. Poor Vanessa, I hope she's OK? Although I see they're in 7th right now I hope they can make up some ground in the FS, they've been having a great season!

Check the video thread, I found video of the warmup with the crash for those who wish to see it.

 

[litenkyckling]

I'm honestly so so gutted for Vanessa and Morgan - surely that crash was a nightmare come true, especially this year, no one wants to feel nerves, pressure AND pain just before their most important competition of the year. I hope she's ok and that they can have a great free performance.

Also -- I didn't follow this in real time so I've not seen everything but some of the comments about them on twitter weren't nice at all. I get that lots of people want Sui/Han to get the title, but the way that people have been dismissing James/Cipres' entire season as "easy" or "a fluke" is so unfair. Ugh some people on twitter just ruin the whole thing sometimes - these are people's entire lives and careers that you're just dismissing in a second whilst sat on your sofa :dev2: (Apologies, can you tell that watching this event first thing put me in a rubbish mood today? )

Anyway - I also really enjoyed Hase/Seegert - fingers crossed for a clean free!! And the same for Walsh/Michaud! And Boikova/Kozlovskii! And Peng/Jin! Basically everyone, I hope they all have the skate that they've been dreaming of

 

[3T3T]

That was a pretty high quality competition.

I delighted that T/M gave their best performance of the season. They seemed so much more confident and relaxed, especially Evgenia. The twist and throw were breathtaking. A clear first for me. It was the happiest I’ve seen thief K&C this year, Mozer being back has fixed things maybe?

I liked S/H but it felt a little under rehearsed, understandable with her injury problems. I didn’t care for her positions in the lifts. I loved P/J, this programme suits them so well. I’m still a little unconvinced of her competitive temperament when the pressure is on. I thought at the beginning of the season that Z/E’s programme was kinda silly but I now enjoy it, it stands out from the field. They had huge speed eating the throw.

Surprised that MT/M scored so highly. Yes they have improved, but I’m still not convinced of him. His sbs was poor and he was a bit scary at n the lift (once again). I also find the programme sugary sweet. A good debut from B/K but they need to fix the DS, it cost them today. I also liked H/S and S/K.

I hope the free is skated as well but it’s unlikely. It will be interesting to see how the French do, I wouldn’t rule out the podium but I would be over the moon to see T/M on the top spot.

 

[skylark]

I'm not sure I'd go as low as Ryom/Kim, but Cain/LeDuc should be behind Ziegler/Kiefer and Hase/Seegert, maybe even Walsh/Michaud. They didn't have any elements that were strong enough to put them ahead of all those teams. The jump is C/L's strongest element, so when they miss that, they don't have a lot to fall back on. Perhaps Start Order came into play, but it shouldn't have mattered. It's not as if the judges are unfamiliar with Ziegler/Kiefer, who had a strong fall season, and there were only 19 pairs, so it's not as if it was difficult to remember how the early groups skated. Z/K and H/S both left a few points on the table, but they still were stronger than C/L today.

I could see if the Start Order was based purely on merit, but we all know the World standings are somewhat skewed based on how many events you attend/don't attend (which is why Sui/Han are always so low).

I want the US to have two spots, but I want it to be fair instead of them just handing it to us.

Too bad. Cain and Leduc may hand the two spots to you. But Ashley and Tim earned their SP scores. We don't know the 'spots' outcome yet.

If you liked Ziegler/Kiefer's SP better, you must not think much of the pairs elements called triple Twist and death spiral. Z/K performed only base value on both. If you don't see the high quality of C/L 's twist and throw, her outstanding air position in both, their qualities of flow and presence and and lovely pairs elements, I don't know what to say to you, but you seem pretty biased against them. I loved Z/K's, H/S, and W/M's skates and enjoy all their unique qualities, but C/L clearly outskated them on the day.