Way before Green Parsons came to be, GS users referred to Piper and Paul as GP. When Green/Parsons teamed up, some did refer to them as Gr/Pa... GP was always Gilles and Poirier...I'm sure you mean P/P (Piper/Paul)not G/P (Green/Parsons).
Oh right! How could I forget?!
Thanks for the reminder. Sorry @GWTW. My bad.
I agree with everything you said about Green/Parsons last season. I think this year's FD should help them regain ground, and their new RD is fine, if not a standout, so I think they'll be comfortably either second, if Hawayek/Baker are not back, or third. I think Carreira/Ponomarenko lost even more ground in the last few years so they're making an even steeper climb. Haven't seen their material this season, yet, so no comment at this point. I think they, in particular, need to be worried about Zingas/Kolesnik.Edit: Sorry @rain. I see now that you are referencing Gilles/ Poirier, not Green/ Parsons.
I am glad that Green/Parsons went back to the aesthetic they are so good at. This FD looks good on them, but some fans are making inevitable comparisons to their amazing 2021 - 2022 FD. I like this FD, and I don't think comparisons are needed. But, while the new FD is lovely, it does not have the same amazing impact. But that's okay. They are trying to regain their footing after losing so much momentum last season.
While Gr/Pa are excellent ice dancers, last year's programs were too generic, which had fans buzzing in a negative way and that hurt their standing. Starting this season off with problems in their RD, was also not helpful. But, they changed it for a new RD immediately, which is interesting because they didn't make huge changes last season when they received lots of criticism for their FD being a step backward.
At this stage, I think Chock/ Bates are definitely hoping to stay for another Olympics, though they are taking it one year at a time. For Piper & Paul, I wonder if they win Worlds in Montreal whether they will retire? I suppose they may continue to another Olympics, as long as they remain healthy, which will be great to see happen. I feel like raving over P/P's new programs, but steady as we go.
Though with the pale pink colour of Paul's shirt they could do a Miami Vice theme, lol. (That's not a diss on the shirt, which I actually love.)
) Speed to me is nothing if movements are not fully completed or rushed. Not the case for Piper and Paul. I do feel, just from watching on the stream, that they have good flow and ice coverage. They glide so smoothly. The one part we can see them decelerate is before the spin... well that's normal (BTW that spin was awesome and should get more credit from the judges on GOE). Finally, there was no blatant posing in this program. It is what I like about Carol Lane work with Piper and Paul : the elements are usually well integrated into the program to create a seamless experience. It really helps the viewer to get into the emotion and story-telling.
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I love their RD, the FD needs to grow on me.
A great result for them to place above Z/K and P/B here, and earn new PBs across the board, plus getting all 8s in the components in the FD.While everyone is gushing over Piper and Paul, I don't want my babies to be lost.
Oona and Gage, such improvement over even one week in speed and edges and precision!
I do wish they had different costumes. This is ID and packaging matters. When I win the lottery, I will donate generously to a costume fund.
The FD is not exciting at all... I don't like the music juxtaposition at all, nor the costumes. Having back to back GPs for them was a huge advantage and they seized their opportunities. Now they need to keep working hard to solidify their ranking among US teams. Before the competition, I assumed they would rank behind both Z/K and P/B... Sure, both of these teams had errors in the RD which were costly but didn't earn back their spots in the FD, so it's a wake up call for them. The Browns can make up ground. However, I do not think they will make enough ground to pass CP and Gr/Pa and of course H/B (if they come back for Nationals) and CB. Lots of Bs in American dance.While everyone is gushing over Piper and Paul, I don't want my babies to be lost.
Oona and Gage, such improvement over even one week in speed and edges and precision!
I do wish they had different costumes. This is ID and packaging matters. When I win the lottery, I will donate generously to a costume fund.
Wow, you definitely make some interesting points.Piper and Paul are magic. Both programs are wonderful in a completely different and fresh way. How many new lifts, holds, spin poses have they come up with this season alone?
Also, I want her pants from the RD and his shirt from the free. Although I wouldn't want to wear them at the same time. xd
I like F/G's RD but think their free needs a lot if work, less gimmicky stuff and no slow version if eye of the
I absolutely hated what R/A did to Guns n Roses and the 80s in general. Their free was nice, but the music didn't really work for me and the costumes didn't match the theme at all as far as I understood what they wanted to express.
The Brown's are fast and delightful, but still a but junior-ish.
Overall, more interesting programs than at SA I think.
Piper and Paul in my opinion have way better programs than C/B this season, plus I think they are better skaters. And they are special.
And while I don't really like F/G's free, I still think they looked physically more powerful and dynamic than C/B did last week. Now I haven't seen the Italians, the Danadians or the Finnish team yet, but GPF is going to be interesting for sure.
I have tremendous admiration and respect for C/B, and I enjoy watching their skating. Madison has a creative eye for costume design, and she's gorgeous and sexy. 
They have taken us on a magnificent and wondrous journey, moving from strength to strength! 
What a great blessing; 
What a great gift their partnership is! 
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C/P lost ground b/c they switched coaches which is hard enough w/o your partner (Pono) needing ankle surgery and the long recovery from that.
Further to my comment earlier...
Their concerts basically brim with kinetic energy.
Flashdance would have been epic.
They are reusing their costumes from their hip hop RD - I have seen these costumes 2x in person at Ice Theatre of NY, so I recognize them instantly. I hope by the time Nationals comes around, they will have gotten new costumes. I also love that the judges are finally showing them some love but it was a bit weird to me that their scores increased quite a bit over a one week period. Maybe the I.AM politicking is starting to pay off and this wasn't a one time thing.While everyone is gushing over Piper and Paul, I don't want my babies to be lost.
Oona and Gage, such improvement over even one week in speed and edges and precision!
I do wish they had different costumes. This is ID and packaging matters. When I win the lottery, I will donate generously to a costume fund.
Thank you. I appreciate your explanation. We can certainly all learn from each other. You make excellent points. It's easy for a team to pick certain music from an era they are not accustomed to, and get pertinent details wrong. You should message R/A, if they have IG accounts. Or drop a line to their coaching team.Well, I'm certainly no ice dance expert, bug I am a huge GnR fan. First of all they got the look wrong: Allison's outfit did not have an 80s shape at all, the pants sat too low on the hips and the top was all wrong, her hair and makeup was also totally contemporary. There are enough GNR music videos to get inspiration from. His outfit was also too busy imo. I'm not saying you have to do 80s cosplay in the RD, but I think the look should at least be reminiscent of the epoch you want to embody.
Regarding the performance: In Welcome to the Jungle Axl pretty much orgasms through the song and he also had a distinctive way to move on stage that wasn't reflected in their movements at all although I'm not sure how to integrate that into an ID performance. A bit more hip shaking probably
Regarding the music, Paradise City is a very frantic song and the fastest and most spectacular part is the solo. They cut the music right before the song's climax though.
I feel if you choose music from a specific band you can't just cut out the most important parts and call it a day, you have to amplify them with your performance. Or choose a different song.
For example, C/B cut some of the most iconic songs from Dark Side of the Moon in a way they fit together almost seamlessly and still kept each song's essence.
Tbh I think there are GnR songs that are probably better suited for figure skating than what R/A chose. But I might also be completely mistaken
