How so? It sounds utterly arbitrary to me.
Well there has to be some cut off point. I think a quarter turn is a good one (and I'm for prerotation being taken into account too) If you can't get the revolution 3/4 completed you don't deserve credit
How so? It sounds utterly arbitrary to me.
It is hard to see where the ISU is headed with this. For pre-rotatios, for instance, that is exactly the rule. It must be a "clear forward take-off" as seen by the naked eye, with no video reply allowed. I believe the "e" call is the same, with respect to video review.Would int better to lower the stadard to one that can be seen clearly with the naked eye(20/20) in real time. If a jump is about a half turn cheat is enough for me to notice.
Maybe IJS should do test and have the naked eye real time vs. slow mo. And at what ever level the naked eye is able to spot UR correctly at least 90% of the time, let that be the cut off for technical controller Official underotation; let the judges deal with slight UR
I'd also add more severe penalties for a fall, but that's just me.
What I find most objectionable with the present system is that two jumps can be absolutely identicle, both to the naked eye and as shown in slo-motion video replays, yet one gets downgraded and loses about four points, while the other doesn't and the skater gets a free pass to the podium.
In this case i think it would be much better if the judges had the option of saying, the first skater's jump was somewhat underrotated, I'll give it a -1 GOE. The second skater's jump, in my opinion, was maybe a little worse, so I'll give it a -2.
Another judge might think they were both about the same and give them both a -1.
I think this gives a more defensible measure of the difference between the two skaters' efforts.
Yes, I do want a 7UR triple program to beat a stumblefest of completely rotated jumps. A hand down or step out is not "actually" a triple jump.
A skater who lands a slightly UR jump with nice flow out and speed is showing much better skating skills than the one who fully rotates a jump before falling on their *** or stepping out or wobbling around like a drunken bear.
JMO.
I think a fall should get NO points.
An underrotated triple should get counted as a double (but no other minus GOE or Plus GOE unless the jump had other issues.
So I guess in my scenario
A fall on a triple lutz gets 0 point's plus 1 point deduction
An underrotated quad toe gets 3.5 points that's it. I think that's fair. I don't think an underrotated jump should just get -1 GOE that's it. And I'm all for penalizing heavy prerotation.
By all means, let's keep Figure Skating as easy as possible. We don't want to make it into major sport and be like those other sports. Do we?Well there has to be some cut off point. I think a quarter turn is a good one (and I'm for prerotation being taken into account too) If you can't get the revolution 3/4 completed you don't deserve credit
I totally agree. What is more, I would penalize harder two-foot landing as well. Man, if UR is cheating, so is two-foot landing!
However, some rules penalizing UR that many people propose here, should be taken into account. We cannot let UR-skaters to rule each competition.
I absolutely think that UR should be punished, I also think it's being punished far too severely at present. Underrotation should be punished at about the same level as slight two-footing (with slight UR being less punished than very obvious UR). Step outs should be punished more (About the same as a hand down on the ice) and falls should be punished most heavily.
I'm sorry but I don't want to see people with bad technique getting rewarded.
I'm sorry, but two-footing jumps is also bad technique.
An underrotated quad toe gets 3.5 points that's it. I think that's fair. I don't think an underrotated jump should just get -1 GOE that's it. And I'm all for penalizing heavy prerotation.
When the expert British commentators gushed over Kimmie's 'beautiful 3loop' which was downgraded by so called specialist, and they still couldn't figure out what went wrong after rewatching the slo-mo, Houston, we got a problem.
I'm sorry, but two-footing jumps is also bad technique.
UR and two-footing should be dealt with in GOE.
While I'm here, the basic, sad fact is that a lot more can go wrong with a jump than can go right with it. I think the current -3 to +3 GOE scale is just wildly unsuited to the reality of jumps. It should be from about -5 to +1, with +1's being very rare and a jump with no deductions being pretty special. Again, JMO.
I'm sorry but if you didn't get your triple lutz 3/4 away around, you did an overrotated DOUBLE lutz, and it should be given the points value of a DOUBLE.
But underrotating is worse. I'm sorry, at least the two footed jump was fully rotated...
I'm sorry but I'm going to use this example
Rachael Flatt fully rotates her jumps. They aren't spectacular, they normally don't get plus GOE. But they are fully rotated.
If people want to just give underrotaters a slap on the wrist (-1GOE) than that means that Rachael with her fully rotated jumps is getting only one point more.
I'm sorry but if you didn't get your triple lutz 3/4 away around, you did an overrotated DOUBLE lutz, and it should be given the points value of a DOUBLE.
In a case like Kostner, I think that constant two foots, should be reflected in her PCS.
I think a fall should get NO points.
An underrotated triple should get counted as a double (but no other minus GOE or Plus GOE unless the jump had other issues.
So I guess in my scenario
A fall on a triple lutz gets 0 point's plus 1 point deduction