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I just finished watching the competition expecting cheating and I didn’t find any. Titova was amazing! Two 3A’s and the 4S 3T was amazing, in the second half. She did fall on a under rotated 4S. Veronika was also amazing on her three quads… she won the free skate due to this technical content. Artistically, they have a lot of improvements to make. Plushenko’s skaters flew up the standings. From like 16th to 4th and Veronika from like 10th to silver. Those were big jumps because his skaters put out solid free skates.

However, he was defeated by smaller camps. Gordeeva landed two quads and was in the final flight. Personally, I thought her performance was similar to Titova. But, she was in final flight, so, I can see why her scores were higher. She deserved her bronze medal.

Finally, Alina G… I was pumping after she landed the best 4S of the competition. She deserved the high GOE for this jump. Plushenko needs to realize flow after jumps are important too. Also, Alina’s skating skills were substantially better than the Plushenko skaters and yet her PCS score is 3-4 points higher. I argue that it should be higher. After Alina’s skate, I thought that technically she was similar to Titova and Gordeeva, but, much better in PCS. I was nervous of where the judges would place her as I was used to her being lowballed. When she placed in 2nd in the free skate, I thought that was fair and her lead in the SP, gave her the win. I only watched a fair competition. No idea what Plushenko was talking about.
 

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Some quotes from an interview with Sofia Fedchenko, Alina Gorbacheva's coach.

'In my opinion, this is hysteria and lack of ability to admit his coaching mistakes.'

'I think he was too confident in his victory in the absence of the main favourite of the competition - Alisa Dvoeglazova. Well, he will have to get used to taking into account different coaching teams. Our kids are growing up...'

'I never discuss work of the judging panel, it's beyond my competence. I have another task - to teach athletes to skate without mistakes. I always tell children, "Skate in such a way that there is nothing to find fault with, even if someone really wants to!"'


 

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The only skater I felt was underscored was maybe Kulikova, but it’s not because she doesn’t have a powerful coach or something. The scoring I thought was pretty logical. Everyone who did ultra-c (of whom there were many) got ahead of those without. And Gordeeva who got in front of Titova didn’t hose off her short and delivered two quads in the free (UR or not) and nobody in their right mind could possibly claim Davydov from all people gets preferential treatment. Titova got zero for her combo in the short. Zhilina was more luckily with her pop, allowing her a better springboard.

As for Gorbacheva, I am sorry, but to question her gold is openly duplicitous. Clean, beautiful, artistic and with the best 4S in Russian women field. Not to mention she comes from a provincial training group that doesn’t participate in Moscow or St.P intrigues.

Plushenko doesn’t have a leg to stand on here.
 

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It's embarrassing for his athletes because they are children and we shouldn't be analysing them so meticulously, but he leaves no choice.

Titova under-rotated most of her jumps. If she were heavier she probably can't save most of them. The 4-3 combo was impressive though. Zhilina might be one of the best pure athletes, but artistry is zero. I think it's too late for her to develop this. She's only one year younger than Akatieva who is becoming complete as a skater.

They are both destined to attempting 4 or 5 quads then having a tantrum when they are beaten by someone who attempts 2 quads but skates cleanly.
 

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The biggest thing Plushenko doesn't seem to take into account is that, should his athletes switch countries, he probably wouldn't be able to keep coaching them, given how openly pro-Putin he is... Among other european countries at least, he would be way too controversial, and I assume federations willing to take in his students would do so at the condition they change coaching team. Imo he has everything to lose in this situation.

It definitely could be argued the past two seasons that his school was being a little lowballed compared to other more major ones, but to me everything seemed okay this season... Maybe his idea is that would Zhilina and Titova have been coached by Eteri, in the exact same layout the judges would have found a way to get them both on the podium and give Zhilina the gold, but it's quite a big stretch.

I don't understand his logic for being upset for this competition, on this season, it makes no sense, the standings are fair (except for Kulikova because she's my favourite and she's underscored)... I do agree with Gorbacheva's coach completely, he mostly seems to have gotten complacent given Dvoeglazova's absence and forgot to pay attention to the other non-Eteri competitors. Well, let's hope he's learned his lesson... But that doesn't seem very likely... What a PR mess, honestly. Even Yulia Lipnitskaia made an Instagram post supporting Plushenko, I don't like this :(
 

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'I never discuss work of the judging panel, it's beyond my competence. I have another task - to teach athletes to skate without mistakes. I always tell children, "Skate in such a way that there is nothing to find fault with, even if someone really wants to!"'
Now this is professionalism!
Not to mention she comes from a provincial training group that doesn’t participate in Moscow or St.P intrigues.
I wonder if it's tougher to skate for a non-Moscow/SPB region of Russia than for a minor skating country :unsure: In both cases, there are less resources available for developing skaters and probably less support in the form of local federation clout.
Gorbacheva gets my 'honorary small fed' sympathies...
 

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It definitely could be argued the past two seasons that his school was being a little lowballed compared to other more major ones, but to me everything seemed okay this season... Maybe his idea is that would Zhilina and Titova have been coached by Eteri, in the exact same layout the judges would have found a way to get them both on the podium and give Zhilina the gold, but it's quite a big stretch.
Probably wouldnt be that much of a stretch. I'm guessing Plushenko is pis*ed becuase he expected the preferential treatment Eteri skaters usually get. Given that Gorbacheva has little to no reputation, they could have easily given Zhilina higher pcs than her. I mean Trusova got 70pcs in the olympics over skaters like Wakaba so its not like judges have ever been scared of looking batsh*t crazy in judging pcs. For once the Russian judges decided to judge based on what they saw. Personally I'm suprised why they did. Maybe the Eteri friendly judges are still grudging on Plushenko for taking a prodigy skater from Eteri :biggrin:
 

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Meanwhile, AoP account has posted and deleted this.
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The screenshot is Sofia Fedchenko's profile from some specialist search service. The author of the story has added 'A princess, no... A queen' to the 'about me' column.
 
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I would love to see his skaters switch countries if isu allowed it because I want to see them but they bombed the shorts! So I don’t know if this is totally about anything other than opening the door to switching of counties
 

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You criticize Plushenko here, but Tatiana Tarasova is much kinder, she’s ready to support Evgeni :LOL:

Tarasova about Plushenko’s words: “I agree in large measure. Most of our judges are incompetent and evil people”
 
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You criticize Plushenko here, but Tatiana Tarasova is much kinder, she’s ready to support :)

Tarasova about Plushenko’s words: “I agree in large measure. Most of our judges are incompetent and evil people”
'We almost have no new young coaches.'
'Evgeni is the first Olympic champion to work as a coach.'
o_O
 

yume

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'I think he was too confident in his victory in the absence of the main favourite of the competition - Alisa Dvoeglazova. Well, he will have to get used to taking into account different coaching teams. Our kids are growing up...'
A baddie.
You criticize Plushenko here, but Tatiana Tarasova is much kinder, she’s ready to support Evgeni :)

Tarasova about Plushenko’s words: “I agree in large measure. Most of our judges are incompetent and evil people”
Ah we missed grannie TAT much needed inputs.
She only says that kind of things when her faves don't win. She didn't had a problem with incompetents judges when Konstantinova and Medvedeva were benefiting from them.
 

Rina RUS

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Ah we missed grannie TAT much needed inputs.
She only says that kind of things when her faves don't win.

I laughed when I had seen Tarasova’s reaction. :)
(It doesn’t seem to me that Plushenko is her favorite coach.)
Maybe it was funny for me, because her reaction can be unpredictable sometimes and because I had already seen what other people say about this case.
 

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Probably wouldnt be that much of a stretch. I'm guessing Plushenko is pis*ed becuase he expected the preferential treatment Eteri skaters usually get. Given that Gorbacheva has little to no reputation, they could have easily given Zhilina higher pcs than her. I mean Trusova got 70pcs in the olympics over skaters like Wakaba so its not like judges have ever been scared of looking batsh*t crazy in judging pcs. For once the Russian judges decided to judge based on what they saw. Personally I'm suprised why they did. Maybe the Eteri friendly judges are still grudging on Plushenko for taking a prodigy skater from Eteri :biggrin:

In the SP where Zhilina and Titova "lost" by botching their combinations they were given the second and third highest PCS of the day.

Maybe the Eteri friendly judges are still grudging on Plushenko for taking a prodigy skater from Eteri

Both Titova and Zhilina were with Eteri at 1 point
 

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Plushenko aside, Tarasova isn't exactly wrong (in a general sense). Most FS judges are pretty incompetent.
 

Caliban

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The Ethics Commission of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) will discuss the statements of two-time Olympic champion Evgeny Plushenko, the chairman of the commission Irina Raber told RIA Novosti.
 

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Meanwhile, AoP account has posted and deleted this.
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The screenshot is Sofia Fedchenko's profile from some specialist search service. The author of the story has added 'A princess, no... A queen' to the 'about me' column.
Sorry the pic is not loading up.

What exactly are they implying?
 

AlexBreeze

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Sorry the pic is not loading up.

What exactly are they implying?
Have you tried to open it? I put it under 'hidden' so it doesn't take up too much space.

They added a crown to her photo. Together with the caption, this is a hint that she has inflated self-esteem. The author also put Sofia's name under a magnifying glass. And they also added painted eyes to the 'education' column because it contains outdated information that she hasn't graduated from university yet.
 
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